Bogey Jammer Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 I see M-2000C, M2000 everywhere in DCS including its own manual. For my personal culture, I'm asking why this plane is never called by its real name Mirage 2000C ? Is it a license issue ? It's kind of disturbing because I've always said and heard around me since decades : Le Mirage Deux-Mille. A Mirage is a Mirage, it's a bad ass name for that series of planes in french language, not a meaningless weak M'. :D I'll buy : МиГ-23МЛД & МЛА МиГ-27К МиГ-25 Mirage III F-4E any IJ plane 1950' Korea Dynamic campaign module
QuiGon Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_in_architecture_in_the_United_States Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
PiedDroit Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_in_architecture_in_the_United_States That works for the "Murage" (Nevada), but I think he's refering to the aircraft here.
Gungnir Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 You don't find it remarkable that they've made a high-fidelity copy of the entire aircraft and yet they apparently can't use its name in writing?
PiedDroit Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 You don't find it remarkable that they've made a high-fidelity copy of the entire aircraft and yet they apparently can't use its name in writing? The name itself is copyrighted where the image is not I think. The aircraft itself is not a high fidelity copy, there's a lot of guesswork, most of the material is taken from public domain. You will see many occurences of a very detailed item but the name has been changed because the rightful owner can prevent you to use it, but can't prevent you to use the image of it.
xaoslaad Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 It's murky territory lawyers seem to like to play in. I'd have been interested to see this case settled in court. I've more or less heard that you can portray an AH-1Z, but can't call it a Bell AH-1Z, for instance. They may be taking this kind of approach, using only the government designation. I've no idea the specifics or whether that's the actual logic, or what, mind you... http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/16/ea-settles-battlefield-3-and-textron-helicopter-lawsuit/
Bogey Jammer Posted March 7, 2016 Author Posted March 7, 2016 Mirage© 2000C then? or Mirage 2000©? :D I'll buy : МиГ-23МЛД & МЛА МиГ-27К МиГ-25 Mirage III F-4E any IJ plane 1950' Korea Dynamic campaign module
Bidartarra Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 A French developer that did a M2000 and a Rafale for FSX got sued by Dassault and had to remove his file from the interwebz a few years ago. So let's be fortunate we have our 2000.
TomCatMucDe Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 I was wondering how they could use "Matra" for the missiles...
Vincent90 Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 Law teacher here. This question if the image and name of the Mirage 2000 is covered under intellectual property laws all depends on the level this product enjoys on the basis of those intellectual property laws. For any number of reasons the Mirage 2000 can lack protection. It can be that only the name is trademarked but not the image of the Mirage 2000. It can also be that Dassault was not sure if the application and sustainment of an international coverage would be worth the investment (which is a fortune). It could also be that Dassault was unsure of the effectivity of the laws in place and if it would defend the interests of Dassault like they feel just. It could also be that the time limit of protection has expired, etc... These are just a couple of reasons why RAZBAM couldn't use the name, but could use the image. There is simply not a yes or no answer for this complicated question without extensive legal research. 1
Buzzles Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 I can't be bothered to look for the post, but Prowler or Zeus have actually posted and answered this specific question before. IIRC, it was some demand by Dassault that although Razbam were allowed to model the systems, they were not use the name. Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here!
gospadin Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 The name itself is copyrighted where the image is not I think. The aircraft itself is not a high fidelity copy, there's a lot of guesswork, most of the material is taken from public domain. You will see many occurences of a very detailed item but the name has been changed because the rightful owner can prevent you to use it, but can't prevent you to use the image of it. You cannot copyright a name. A name would have to be protected by Trademark. My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E
PiedDroit Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 You cannot copyright a name. A name would have to be protected by Trademark.I'm not a specialist but I think you get the idea. Whatever term that means others must ask you before using a name in specific context. See Vincent90's answer ;)
Conroy Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) The word "Mirage" alone can not be under the property law because is a common word. Sure, we cannot name it as Dassault "Mirage", but the association between the common word "Mirage" and the number 2000 can be copyrighted for sure i'm afraid. ...may be "Vision" 2000C but M-2000C is better. Edited March 7, 2016 by Conroy
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