Does anyone know the corner velocity for the Su-25/A10?

[SuperKungFu]

Like the title asks, does anyone know the corner velocity for the Su-25/T and the A-10? I'm trying to get the most out of my turns in these slow movers.

 

On the side note: could anyone check my data that these corner speeds for the rest of the aircraft are correct?

F-15- 630km/h, 343.4 knots

Su-27- 545km/h

Su-33- 590km/h

MiG-29- 685km/t, 370 knots

Su-25- ?

Su-25T- ?

A-10- ?

[Krendel]

https://www.lockon.ru/img/devjournal/A10vsSu25@200m.gif

[SuperKungFu]

hmm that graph is kinda "round" to give me an exact number but if I'm reading it correctly, the corner velocity for the A-10 is around 300 km/h

and the Su-25 is 700 km/h? That's kinda fast. Is there any other data on this?

[Shaman]

That graph doesn't include G-load.

[britgliderpilot]

That graph doesn't include G-load.

 

I have a sneaking suspicion that it does . . . . IIRC, it's something like the thick line is the rate of turn against airspeed line, and the thin line demonstrates the maximum G-load.

[cool_t]

Su-vrs a-10

 

I have been practicing alot with the ground pounders of late.

 

Here is my opinion in a nut-shell.

 

Su-25

1. Good speed
   
2. Good load-out
   
3. Anti-rad missiles
   
4. Crapy flight dynamics
   
5. landing gear needs to be spread out.
   
6. Radar warning system needs to be near heads-up display.
   
7. Weak rudder.
   
8. Bad tourqe on hi G turns.

A-10

 

1. Nice Titanium bath tub
   
2. Good thrust to weaight ratio.
   
3. Good field of vision.
   
4. Cant zoom in on locked targets.
   
5. Slow
   
6. No anti-rad missiles
   
7. Great rudder.
   
8. Nice gun.
   
9. A+ on turning.
   
10. Mavricks are no good on some SAM sites.

Over all I pick A-10 for its handiling and field of view.

 

:thumbup:

[Guest Cali]

I have been practicing alot with the ground pounders of late.

 

Here is my opinion in a nut-shell.

 

 

[*]Mavricks are no good on some SAM sites.

Over all I pick A-10 for its handiling and field of view.

 

:thumbup:

 

I haven't had a problem with the mavs at all

[SuperKungFu]

so...could anyone give me a number for the corner velocity for A-10 and Su-25 :music_whistling: ?

[SuperKungFu]

i read somewhere the A-10 is around 210 knots (correct?)

Still need the Su-25.

[britgliderpilot]

SuperKungFu,

Your speeds are way off. Also, corner speed depends on aircraft weight, so you must take fuel consumption into account.

 

Corner speed doesn't apply so well to non-delta wing aircraft. In these planes (A-10, SU-25) the best corner speed is about 10 kts above stall speed (for a given aircraft attitude, g-load, and AoA). When your plane tickles you are at your best speed, if you hear the stall tone, you've fallen below that speed. IRL, the A-10 gives very little PHYSICAL warning of an impending stall. Actuators were, therefore, installed in the flight stick to give feedback to the pilot of an immenent stall (based on the SAS's/CAS's computations).

 

Again, for all plane's corner speed, fuel load (and weight) must be taken into account.

 

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?automodule=downloads&showfile=761

 

 

That article (edit - written by you - d'oh!) does say You Haven't tested the Su25 - I'd strongly question the suggestion that that aircraft's best corner speed is 10 knots above stall!

 

As for the Su25T . . . . shrug.

 

There's some data for the fighters out there somewhere, shall see if I can find it again.

[SuperKungFu]

:thumbup: Thanks Hawg for the answer

[Deadman]

this may be of help

[Yo-Yo]

hmm that graph is kinda "round" to give me an exact number but if I'm reading it correctly, the corner velocity for the A-10 is around 300 km/h

and the Su-25 is 700 km/h? That's kinda fast. Is there any other data on this?

 

The corner speed regarding the graph I made for these planes are 420+(5...10) kph for A-10 and 560+(5...10) kph for Su-25.

 

The main difference between the planes is that A-10 has sharper peak of angular velocity vs speed than Su-25 that can maintain almost the same ROT from 560 to 720 kph. Of course the 560 kph turn has the lowest turn radius and G-factor. On the other hand turning at higher speed you can convert the excessive speed into altitude. So I consider Su-25 more versatile in combat performance.

[666th_birdy]

....you can convert the excessive speed into altitude.....

 

I guess your callsign should be high-yo-yo :)

[cool_t]

Cali

 

Engage a SAM Hawk site with the A-10 or BUK site, then get back to me.

 

The best way to Kill SAM sites with A-10 is to eat birds, bugs, and the ocational foot-ball. (30ft off the ground-go gunz on radar)

 

Try it,

 

:joystick:

[WhiskeyRomeo]

Engage a SAM Hawk site with the A-10 or BUK site, then get back to me.

The best way to Kill SAM sites with A-10 is to eat birds, bugs, and the ocational foot-ball. (30ft off the ground-go gunz on radar)

BUKs and HAWKs are not a problem. Even when protected by ZSU-23, Igla and Strela.

Fly inbound at 20K or so till you get launch indication. Evade the missile(s).

Repeat till the BUK/HAWK sites are out of missiles and then press the attack.

[Gaizokubanou]

BUKs and HAWKs are not a problem. Even when protected by ZSU-23, Igla and Strela.

Fly inbound at 20K or so till you get launch indication. Evade the missile(s).

Repeat till the BUK/HAWK sites are out of missiles and then press the attack.

 

So they actually run out of ammo? I thought those bigger AA systems had infinite ammo.

[Guest S77th_Hogger]

So they actually run out of ammo? I thought those bigger AA systems had infinite ammo.

 

Yes they do.

[GGTharos]

They will reload.

 

Eventually they will also be made smarter ...

[Stealth_HR]

i read somewhere the A-10 is around 210 knots (correct?)

Still need the Su-25.

It's true, the Su-25 data would be very handy. One very unfortunate fact about the Su-25T is that its engines are, in fact, underpowered - that's why the cornering speed is probably shot to hell along with the rest of the flight characteristics. It's still the best plane I've flown in LO just by the "gut feeling" of it, but I wouldn't be too surprised if the Su-25T's cornering speed turned out to be very low, precisely due to the engine output.