Stuck in grass = death

[ponhard]

Yeah! Who need VTOL when you can put offroad wheels on the plane! :thumbup:

[King_Hrothgar]

[mvsgas]

All Russian planes can! That's the reason for big undercarriage and wheels

 

http://defence-blog.com/news/russian-an-12-military-cargo-plane-makes-emergency-landing.html

 

 

http://coollib.net/b/233227/read

 

https://full.bnkomi.ru/data/news/7653/

 

This a common misconception. No aircraft can take off from grass or dirt unless that dirt or grass is prepared and maintain the weight.

Edited May 4, 2016 by mvsgas

[mvsgas]

You can see here the ground seems frozen. The aircraft started to plow a little bit.

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Anyway, does anyone have video or pictures of a SU-27, Mig-29, SU-25 etc. (aircraft found in DCS) with combat load taking off, taxing or landing on grass, dirt or gravel?

Edited May 4, 2016 by mvsgas

[cro_mig_21]

Well, here a less powered older version, the MiG21pf is taxiing on the grass, which does not look prepared at all..

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLWB41THWKM[/ame]

[Kuky]

It really depends on the soil, some grass runways are specially prepared (I think they compact gravel underneath the top surface to make the surface harder), but normal fields would not be (and would be too soft). In winter though, ground is mostly frozen and I think should be possible to taxi on it especially for lighter aircraft.

[Oldguy]

After one of my usual terrible landings in the SU-25T at Beslan, the aircraft slid off the runway and onto the grass about 100 feet from the runway.

 

The game graciously made me wait three minutes before I could get repairs, which I thought was a clever way to simulate the repair vehicles having to clamber all the way out to where I had mucked up, literally.

 

The repair completed normally, but a bit slowly.

 

Thereafter, I was able, under full power, to swing the nose around to point back at the runway and taxi onto the firmer surface, thence back to the taxi stand. That fancy mudguard on the front tire is there for a reason.

 

All in all, despite my execrable landing skills, I was quite satisfied with the way the results played out.

 

Seemed like a real escapade into poor piloting resulted in a fairly nice outcome.

 

p.s.

 

From my readings about the MiG-21, it seems the small tires of the F model were exchanged with the much larger tires of the PF (or somewhere in that model range) to enable soft/rough field work. Thus the small blisters in the upper fuselage to accommodate the larger tire diameter with its lower psi weight-bearing effect.

Edited May 4, 2016 by Oldguy

[Kev2go]

yup soviet planes are made to operate in rougher conditions like shown in some of these videos.

 

plus if theres 1 american jets that s rugged and adopts a similar philosophy in this regard. pl its the A10 Thunderbolt. it too like mig21 or su25 can land on forward strips that are just grass or dirt and not paved roads/cement.

 

 

so yes ED needs to change things up a bit, and not make sand/grass not = superglue for aircraft wheels, in particular the aforementioned rugged jets with larger wheels.

[Shahdoh]

Not all grass/ground densities are the same. Some fields are prepared, others are just naturally more dense. This does not mean the grass areas around a field should automatically allow A/C to roll across them. This, plus changing moisture levels will change the density levels as well.

 

Could things be better on the ground in DCS, sure. But I rather they fix the issues with the a/c in the air, ATC, weather, Network code, damage modelling etc before they work on ground density issues.