OziRekt Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) Hey guys, for some reason I'm supercruising at Mach 1.5 with a full missile load even with the afterburner cut-off engaged. 40,000 feet. Surely this is a bug? Edited May 7, 2016 by OziRekt "We carried out many trials to try to find the answer to the fast, low-level intruder, but there is no adequate defense." — Air Vice-Marshal J. E. 'Johnnie' Johnson, RAF Can't charge us all
RNeves Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 I managed to reach mach 1.04 at 15000ft without afterburner and with 2 530's and 2 magics. Never heard the M2000C had that capability... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Your eyes only see what your mind is ready to comprehend" ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Asus Z170 Pro Gaming - Intel I7-6700K - 16GB DDR4 @ 2400MHz HyperX Savage - Strix GTX 960 DC II 2GB OC Edition - Seagate 1TB
nomdeplume Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 Might be related to this: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=156539&page=3 As far as I know no updates came to 1.5.3 open beta, so "next update" is still applicable.
OziRekt Posted May 7, 2016 Author Posted May 7, 2016 Thanks guys. Love your work RAZBAM, you're so quick to fix problems and you've got fantastic communication with the community. Best 3rd party devs by far "We carried out many trials to try to find the answer to the fast, low-level intruder, but there is no adequate defense." — Air Vice-Marshal J. E. 'Johnnie' Johnson, RAF Can't charge us all
ZHeN Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 reached 2.1 mach without afterburner @ 45k feet F-22 would be jealous [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Rlaxoxo Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 reached 2.1 mach without afterburner @ 45k feet F-22 would be jealous How? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Youtube Reddit
ZHeN Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) How? did it online on some server, loaded 100% fuel, no weapons or fuel tanks, took off at maximum throttle before afterburner (fuel flow showing 126) and then just straight up into the sky ... fuel flow didn't drop with the altitude growing (it should've been!) that's how it went ... Edited May 9, 2016 by ZHeN [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Rlaxoxo Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 did it online on some server, loaded 100% fuel, no weapons or fuel tanks, took off at maximum throttle before afterburner (fuel flow showing 126) and then just straight up into the sky ... fuel flow didn't drop with the altitude growing (it should've been!) that's how it went ... Cold start? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Youtube Reddit
Rlaxoxo Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 Managed to reproduce it key is to use military power as low as possible then climb up [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Youtube Reddit
Azrayen Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 No. Quite the contrary in fact. MIL = 100% dry thrust (no afterburner)
ZHeN Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 I know safety rules say you always have to take off with AB on, but I never actually do it. Always with 100% dry thrust. And I'll keep doing it till RAZBAM changes this whole thrust thing [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ZHeN Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 well, Mirage is a small plane, with only 3160kg's of fuel. And I'm really really bad at aerial refueling... so I choose not to waste fuel unless it's an emergency [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Rlaxoxo Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 I also like taking off without an afterburner feels better for some reason [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Youtube Reddit
Azrayen Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 OK. Engine is too powerful now, should be fixed soon. Take care, non-AB take-off will become more difficult (as they should be). Fuel itself... well, it's realistic! And you just need the AB to take-off (cut it @ 250kts) so... Use external tanks too, it most often what's done IRL!
Rlaxoxo Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) OK. Engine is too powerful now, should be fixed soon. Take care, non-AB take-off will become more difficult (as they should be). Fuel itself... well, it's realistic! And you just need the AB to take-off (cut it @ 250kts) so... Use external tanks too, it most often what's done IRL! Engine to powerful ? What do you mean? Because of this bug or is it really that they modeled the thrust wrong? Is Mil power giving more power then it's suppose to? Not including this bug where the fuel indicator sticks on one number as you increase the altitude and hence you have a ground full mil performance on 50,000 feet This bug doesn't increase the full MIL power when you're on the ground and I can take off with full mil power just fine on Nellis with clean load just fine Edited May 10, 2016 by Rlaxoxo [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Youtube Reddit
Azrayen Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) I mean Jx values seem too high at the moment. I assumed that reducing the AB thrust (if that's the way to fix the problem) would probably reduce the MIL thrust too. I can't comment on MIL thrust at take off since comparison were made against RL videos = always full AB. But, to get back to the OT, current super-cruising capabilities feel too important too. I don't have much data on this, I can just tell the aircraft should be able to barely supercruise (that is, M1.1 or 1.2) > FL400 with 2x Fox 2s. Edited May 10, 2016 by Azrayen
ZHeN Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 Engine to powerful ? What do you mean? Because of this bug or is it really that they modeled the thrust wrong? Is Mil power giving more power then it's suppose to? of course mil power is giving much more power than it should - even raptor can't supercruise @ 2.4M Use external tanks too, it most often what's done IRL! well ... 2x1700L tanks mean no Fox1. and 1x1300L is simply not enough ... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Azrayen Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 You don't have 1700L, only 2000L in DCS. 1300L is fine by me. Of course, more would be nice. But hey, that's a simulator, not a whish-granted game. More would be nice IRL too. Climb, you'll drink less.
Rlaxoxo Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 of course mil power is giving much more power than it should - even raptor can't supercruise @ 2.4M That's only because the bug where engine performance stays the same if you don't engage afb while taking off ... Generaly the patch before this there wasnt that issue and the mil power seamed fine Go up to 40,000 feet then engage afb and lower to mil power and you'll see the real performance of mil power [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Youtube Reddit
jojo Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 of course mil power is giving much more power than it should - even raptor can't supercruise @ 2.4M well ... 2x1700L tanks mean no Fox1. and 1x1300L is simply not enough ... It's almost the same amount of fuel than MiG 29A which is twin engined ! Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
ZHeN Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 That's only because the bug where engine performance stays the same if you don't engage afb while taking off ... Generaly the patch before this there wasnt that issue and the mil power seamed fine Go up to 40,000 feet then engage afb and lower to mil power and you'll see the real performance of mil power ah, yeah, you're right [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Voodooflies Posted May 12, 2016 Posted May 12, 2016 I made M2.85 today on Blue Flag's server when diving full burners from angels 52 to angels 18. Seems pretty fair to me. Can't touch this, tiiiiii da da daaaaa tumtum ta ta tumtum dadaaaaaaaaa. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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