Pitot Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 A good place to visit, or ask someone to visit it for you. I hear it's open to public... ;) Davis-Monthan Air Force Boneyard in Tucson Don't ask, here's the answer: 95% of my posts are edited because I have OCD.
Drag0nWIng Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 I just visited this place on google earth, the situation of f-14s is not well for now.
Pitot Posted July 14, 2016 Author Posted July 14, 2016 I wish people would elaborate at these forums when they say something so we don't have to guess and waste time trying to figure out what they wanted to say :D Some references can surely be obtained, even with airplanes in bad condition I believe. If needed, ofc. We don't know do they need any more references at this point. Also, I believe that it is a place where they can get additional info, just like you can get info at Duxford... Don't ask, here's the answer: 95% of my posts are edited because I have OCD.
Jhuss96 Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 A good place to visit, or ask someone to visit it for you. I hear it's open to public... ;) Davis-Monthan Air Force Boneyard in Tucson I could be wrong, but I thought the Navy scrapped every F-14 to keep any remaining parts from ending up in the hands of the Iranians. To my knowledge the only ones left are the ones in museums. Intel i7-4790K 4GHz l 32 GB DDR3 l MSI 1080ti l Gigabyte 97ZX l TrackIR + DelanClip l TM Warthog HOTAS l CH Pedals AV-8B l AJS-37 l A-10A l A-10C l F-15C l F-16C l F-5E l F-14A/B l F-86F l F/A-18C l Hawk l M2000 l MiG 29 l NTTR l Persian Gulf l Su-27 l Su-33 l Su-25 l Supercarrier l L-39 l UH-1 l
Pitot Posted July 16, 2016 Author Posted July 16, 2016 This is, basically, a museum - since it is open for public. Don't ask, here's the answer: 95% of my posts are edited because I have OCD.
Darkbrotherhood7 Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 Hazy Center Washington DC :music_whistling: Mission: "To intercept and destroy aircraft and airborne missiles in all weather conditions in order to establish and maintain air superiority in a designated area. To deliver air-to-ground ordnance on time in any weather condition. And to provide tactical reconaissance imagery" - F-14 Tomcat Roll Call [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vampyre Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) This is, basically, a museum - since it is open for public. Not really, It is a storage area for airplanes and airplane parts. The public is not usually allowed in the boneyard without being on a guided bus tour or a special event such as a base hosted 5k/10k run. The only people that regularly go in and out of the boneyard side are authorized to be there by the Air Force. There are seven Tomcats in open storage at AMARG. One of the two on celebrity row is 164341, the F-14D that had the back seat passenger eject himself while flying out of Fallon in 2002. I remember seeing this bird come back without the canopy and back seat. The other one on celebrity row is 161866 which was VF-154's CAG bird during my last year forward deployed in Japan. Also present at AMARG along with the other four birds not on celebrity row is 159437, one of the F-14A 1989 Libyan MiG-23 killers... the other, 159610 now a F-14D® is in the NASM (in the pic above). Edited July 16, 2016 by Vampyre Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!"
SandMartin Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) Anyobne of them flyable ? Yes, Yes, I know, what f-14 was demolished, to avoid cannibalism and sell parts from them to Iran. But, I think, If Pentagon saves couple tomcats in flyable condition, for museum and USAF displays (like sabres, P-51D and phantoms) - it will be good. To fly on history and varius airshow. We here, in Russia, very pity, that we havent La-5FN, Yak-3 and other legendary aircrafts in flyable condition, example for MAX airshow and displays.... Edited July 16, 2016 by SandMartin Мой youtube канал Группа в VK IBM x3200 Tower, i7 9700k, Asus Z390-P, HyperX Fury DDR4 2x16Gb 3466 Mhz, HyperX Savage 480Gb SSD, Asus RTX3070 Dual OC 8G, 32" Asus PG329Q, Creative Sound Blaster AE-5, HyperX Cloud Alpha + Pulsefire FPS Pro + Alloy FPS brown, Track IR 4 PRO + Clip Pro, Warhog HOTAS + CH Pro Pedal + есть руль Logitech G25
Jhuss96 Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 Anyobne of them flyable ? Yes, Yes, I know, what f-14 was demolished, to avoid cannibalism and sell parts from them to Iran. But, I think, If Pentagon saves couple tomcats in flyable condition, for museum and USAF displays (like sabres, P-51D and phantoms) - it will be good. To fly on history and varius airshow. We here, in Russia, very pity, that we havent La-5FN, Yak-3 and other legendary aircrafts in flyable condition, example for MAX airshow and displays.... I'm not sure if the few remaining are flyable but I don't believe the Navy has a big interest in maintaining a flyable one for airshows (as much as I wish they would) because I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap. Plus there are a few other legendary US birds that occasionally show up at air shows P-51's, F-4U Corsairs, F-86's, F-4 Phantoms, etc. Unfortunately I seriously doubt US F-14's will ever take to the sky again Intel i7-4790K 4GHz l 32 GB DDR3 l MSI 1080ti l Gigabyte 97ZX l TrackIR + DelanClip l TM Warthog HOTAS l CH Pedals AV-8B l AJS-37 l A-10A l A-10C l F-15C l F-16C l F-5E l F-14A/B l F-86F l F/A-18C l Hawk l M2000 l MiG 29 l NTTR l Persian Gulf l Su-27 l Su-33 l Su-25 l Supercarrier l L-39 l UH-1 l
punk Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 I'm not sure if the few remaining are flyable but I don't believe the Navy has a big interest in maintaining a flyable one for airshows (as much as I wish they would) because I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap. Plus there are a few other legendary US birds that occasionally show up at air shows P-51's, F-4U Corsairs, F-86's, F-4 Phantoms, etc. Unfortunately I seriously doubt US F-14's will ever take to the sky again While not trying to sound like an authority or anything, as I have no way to verify what I was told by the staff member of a small museum in California, the Navy agreement with them for the display aircraft is for it to be able to return the AC to service with little work. They basically are to keep it serviceable, though to what level I don't know since this was mentioned just in passing as part of a larger conversation I had with the ex Tomcat pilot who was part of the team for the display. Though based on the overall conversation none of the AC will become flying exhibits for a long long time. Punk [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
lunaticfringe Posted July 20, 2016 Posted July 20, 2016 "Snort" Snodgrass, back in 2005-2006, attempted to leverage his Navy and governmental contacts and warbird industry backers to secure two. He was denied. There are rumblings that the Collings Foundation have also attempted. They've also been denied. When the aircraft were SARDIP'd, or transported for museum usage and demilled there, they had frame spars intentionally cut to eliminate any chance of flight capability. There are rumored to be a few out there that this process was not completed on, depending on the timing of release. However, because the remaining ten at AMARG did not go through demilitarization, the backbones should remain intact. However, right now the real challenge is US law. The situation with Iran must change prior to any chance of one or two being returned to flight status. And given information released publicly about the nuclear deal coming to light recently- signs aren't good this will take place anytime soon, unless they wholesale replace their fleet with Russian hardware. That said, note that a particular B-29 known as "Doc" took flight for the first time in 60 years on Sunday. So long as hardware is preserved effectively, there's always a chance.
Jhuss96 Posted July 20, 2016 Posted July 20, 2016 "Snort" Snodgrass, back in 2005-2006, attempted to leverage his Navy and governmental contacts and warbird industry backers to secure two. He was denied. There are rumblings that the Collings Foundation have also attempted. They've also been denied. When the aircraft were SARDIP'd, or transported for museum usage and demilled there, they had frame spars intentionally cut to eliminate any chance of flight capability. There are rumored to be a few out there that this process was not completed on, depending on the timing of release. However, because the remaining ten at AMARG did not go through demilitarization, the backbones should remain intact. However, right now the real challenge is US law. The situation with Iran must change prior to any chance of one or two being returned to flight status. And given information released publicly about the nuclear deal coming to light recently- signs aren't good this will take place anytime soon, unless they wholesale replace their fleet with Russian hardware. That said, note that a particular B-29 known as "Doc" took flight for the first time in 60 years on Sunday. So long as hardware is preserved effectively, there's always a chance. Thanks for the great info. I've never known to what extent private individuals/ organizations have tried to acquire the F-14 (I honestly thought nobody tried). Problems with international climate or cost may keep it sitting in museums but with the advent of technologies like 3D printing to recreate lost parts I could definitely see a future for such an icon. Intel i7-4790K 4GHz l 32 GB DDR3 l MSI 1080ti l Gigabyte 97ZX l TrackIR + DelanClip l TM Warthog HOTAS l CH Pedals AV-8B l AJS-37 l A-10A l A-10C l F-15C l F-16C l F-5E l F-14A/B l F-86F l F/A-18C l Hawk l M2000 l MiG 29 l NTTR l Persian Gulf l Su-27 l Su-33 l Su-25 l Supercarrier l L-39 l UH-1 l
punk Posted July 20, 2016 Posted July 20, 2016 Thanks for the great info. I've never known to what extent private individuals/ organizations have tried to acquire the F-14 (I honestly thought nobody tried). Problems with international climate or cost may keep it sitting in museums but with the advent of technologies like 3D printing to recreate lost parts I could definitely see a future for such an icon. Just my guess is that until the Iran birds are confirmed to be out of the picture and the remaining frames are privatized, we will not see any being flown. even for the displays, It is hard for them to get parts from naval sources anyway. My guess is once they are free and clear from a countries inventory and sold to individuals, we will not find any airworthy for demos. It is a crying shame and an absolutely disgrace of how the political fools let this bird suffer all its lifetime and into obscurity. I understand 5 frames were sold to private collectors but where then promptly confiscated back. Punk [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
CheckGear Posted August 15, 2016 Posted August 15, 2016 Wow, this is ill-informed. All aircraft only have a certain lifespan. The Navy got 30 years out of the F-14. Those jets are slammed into aircraft carriers thousands of times, the wings loaded with G... O and I level maintenance corrosion control programs combatting at-sea rusting can only go so far, wiring degrades (these airplanes have hundreds of miles of copper wire to chase to find faults. Engines only last so many hours. Hydraulic seals go. Parts supplies reach their end point. This is all programmed in. You guys don't really know that much about the immense cost and effort to keep jets like these in the air, and the Navy is better than most at that. Jets have to go away after a while. THere's a USMC Hornet squadron back in May was supposed to be deploying about now and of 14 aircraft, two were flyable. ANd their jets are newer than the F-14. you might could ease off on the 'crying shame' and damn disgraceful' bit. It's many, many layers more complex than you ever imagined. Those jets are history. Deal with it. And comparisons to P-51s are ridiculous. To build upon what you said (which is all legit), I'm currently reading a book about the military history of U.S.-Iraq relations. It mentions an incident on 9/11/96 in which a USAF F-16 Fighting Falcon executed an evasive maneuver so violent it's structural backbone needed to be replaced. People often forget aircraft are essentially defying the laws of physics when they fly. The amount of stress and strain that places on even a strong piece of machinery like an airplane is tremendous.
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