F-5E RWR?

[Beamscanner]

perhaps that's why the DCS ALR-87 seems so strange ?

 

1. What do they define as a "search" radar? Because I see no logical reason to call the SA-6 acquisition radar a search radar (like they have in game). I believe that search radars refer only to emitters identified as "S".

 

2. There is no constant RWR audio in game. Only a initial new guy sound. As seen in the F-20 video, there is in fact continuous audio.

[Exorcet]

The search feature on the F-5 RWR as implemented in game really is strange. ED's stance on not making changes without documentation is of course reasonable, but I don't think I would have ever come to the conclusion that this is how the RWR works without seeing it directly. It only makes things harder for the pilot.

[lunaticfringe]

If that page is from the NAVAIR pub Belsimtek used, can that multi-page section be stripped and uploaded as a PDF?

 

There's context missing, and the section would go far in solving the dilemma.

[Ramsay]

If that page is from the NAVAIR pub Belsimtek used, can that multi-page section be stripped and uploaded as a PDF?

 

There's context missing, and the section would go far in solving the dilemma.

 

You might want to check this post on the AN/ASG-31 pipper for links

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3221613&postcount=1

[Ramsay]

1. What do they define as a "search" radar? Because I see no logical reason to call the SA-6 acquisition radar a search radar (like they have in game). I believe that search radars refer only to emitters identified as "S".

The only description is 'defined radar systems' - detailed specifics will be classified.

 

2. There is no constant RWR audio in game. Only a initial new guy sound. As seen in the F-20 video, there is in fact continuous audio.

Much to my dismay, the manual is very specific about the audio and differs from the AN/ALR-69: 4 'new guy' tones and 1 'Missile Launch' tone.

 

 

 

I still believe the ALR-87 most likely generates RWR monitoring audio but if it does, the detail must be hidden in a classified supplement (The Greek F-16C (ALR-66) manual is similar, in that it only mentions Threat Information Tones).

Edited August 17, 2017 by Ramsay

[MBot]

Thank you for the link to the document Ramsay. I still have difficulties believing the utility of the search button logic, as its operation will completely suppress the display of threats to the aircraft (which is against the primary function of the RWR to warn about immediate threats). Perhaps it isn't such a big deal in the real aircraft as you would still hear the continuous threat audio (which is missing in DCS).

 

What is almost certainly wrong in DCS is the definition of search radars. Right now a MiG-21 radar is classified as search radar and a MiG-21 that has locked you up is classified as fire control radar. That has the insane consequences that you have to fumble with the Search RWR button in a dogfight in order to check for MiGs! I agree with Beamscanner that it would be most logical to limit this mode to pure search radars (displayed with "S") and to display ALL radars regardless of their operating mode in the normal mode.

 

 

That NAVAIR has some interesting language, such as "Emitter of cannon flab systems". FlaB is the Swiss term for "Flugabwehr" which means "air defense". Strange that the US Navy did not adjust this.

[Vatikus]

As you can see, search mode includes AI threats on the display.

 

Regarding audio, I posted in another bug thread... pilot hears cont. PRF of the diamond (selected) threat.

[Beamscanner]

The only description is 'defined radar systems' - detailed specifics will be classified.

There is VIDEO evidence.

 

The F-20 video shows the search button selected while displaying SA-2 and SA-6 locking and firing a missile. And to further prove my point the search button lights up a green "S" symbol when selected. And the ALR-87 is made from the ALR-46 above, which explicitly states that the search button shows "S" emitters. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3223607&postcount=32

 

It is my understanding that the devs have mis-understood search radars to mean anything that can perform a search/acquisition function, rather than dedicated early warning radars (AWACS, Big Bird, Snow Drift, etc.)

 

Much to my dismay, the manual is very specific about the audio and differs from the AN/ALR-69: 4 'new guy' tones and 1 'Missile Launch' tone.

 

 

 

I still believe the ALR-87 most likely generates RWR monitoring audio but if it does, the detail must be hidden in a classified supplement (The Greek F-16C (ALR-66) manual is similar, in that it only mentions Threat Information Tones).

 

I've seen the NATOPS. But they only mention "warning tones". I think after decades of RWR usage its become common knowledge that constant audio is provided. The only differences that pilots need to be aware of is the synthetic audio that differs from RWR to RWR.

 

Also, again the document above from the ALR-46 shows that constant audio is provided from the primary threat (diamond audio). ALR-87 is made from ALR-46. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3223607&postcount=32

 

Lastly, the F-20 video also shows constant audio from the RWR. The F-20 RWR is likely a ALR-46 or ALR-87 (the export ALR-46).

 

Perhaps someone could find a NATOPS description of the ALR-46 and see if it also ignores the fact that it provides constant audio.

Edited August 18, 2017 by Beamscanner

[lunaticfringe]

I have to concur with Beamscanner on the point that the audio being noted are callouts towards the synthetic responses, rather than the default presentation.

 

I'm going through resource channels to see if I can validate that, but it may be a bit before I get a "yay" or "nay".

[Revientor]

a tutorial here how to use the RwR ->