R60M head lock problem

[JohnnyHo]

Dear MIG-21's developers

 

Thank you for this beautiful and absoultely fantastic module! :thumbup: Recently, one of my friends have noticed that the R60M missile in mig21's arsenal can head lock to the enemy aircrafts in the distance, while wiki said the R60M has only limited all-aspect capability(which I think the R60M can't head lock to an aircraft). So I was wondering whether this is a bug or u guys do have some documents proving the R60M have all-aspect capability? And could u guys share those documents? :book::helpsmilie:

 

Regards

Your faithful players

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-60_(missile)

Edited October 4, 2016 by JohnnyHo

[BadHabit]

From my tests R60 will lock head on at 2.5km or less, not that much of a distance. But yeah it's all aspect.

 

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[JohnnyHo]

U can see from the attachment, the wiki said the r60m has only limited all-aspect capability.

[myHelljumper]

I don't see the problem here, it is all aspect but will have shorter range in front/side aspect as it is in the sim.

Edited October 4, 2016 by myHelljumper

[probad]

please define what you think limited all-aspect means first

[EagleFox]

Its already been stated million times its all aspect is limited. So the aircraft has to be atleast deflected 15 degrees.

[mattebubben]

Limited All Aspect means that its all aspect in some situations.

 

So you can get a lock from any aspect if the conditions are right

(Depending on Range,Angle,Target,The Heat generated by the target and many other factors such as weather conditions etc) and the stars align.

 

 

Where as a full all aspect missile can Reliably lock a target from any aspect in most conditions and at longer ranges.

 

So if the target is at a closer range and is generating a large amount of heat (by using its afterburners for example) then its very possible that the missile can get even a Head on-lock but if the target goes idle for a few seconds it might not longer be able to do so.

[foxbat155]

Limited all aspect?.

 

MiG-29B Combat employment manual, easy to find in internet:

 

 

 

Depending on the target's altitude:

- front hemisphere launch distance 2,5 - 12 km

- rear hemisphere launch distance 1,5 - 9 km

 

"Limited only in DCS" TM.

[Art-J]

Are we discussing, however, the R-60 capabilities when installed on any plane, or specifically on MiG-21? I've read account of Polish pilot back from the times when the -21s flew in our AF and the R-60 was considered a rather limited all aspect, because it could be employed head-on successfully only when aided by the radar and launched close. So a "proper" all aspect when used on -23s and -29s, but not so much on the old -21. No idea how it works in DCS though (is Leatherneck's R-60 the same as ED's R-60 anyway?)

[foxbat155]

Those data related allowed launch zones, where is point to fire missile without seeker lock on?

 

Art-J you have partially right, launch from ideal 1/4 view ( straight line head on, the same level ) was allowed only when target had afterburner on, but 5 degree left or right and you can fire without any problems. You must remember as well, that Polish AF was use only R-60 on MiG-21/23 not R-60M, two very similar looking missiles but with different capabilities. MiG-21 radar of course cannot aid missile seeker, but this not worsening hers sensitivity.

[Frederf]

All aspect capability during the marginal technological era greatly depends on the heat (speed) of the target along with secondary factors like surface area and emissivity not to mention environmental background.

 

Missiles that can see the front of an airplane going 800 knots can't see it going 250 knots. Speed makes heat, heat allows detection.

[Schmidtfire]

In DCS, missile lock-on is dependent on module/airframe.

R-60M is all aspect on Su-25,Su-27/33, MiG29, several AI aircraft and now on the MiG21. However, It is still rear-aspect on the L-39ZA!

Same with the AiM-9M, all aspect on A-10C and F-15C but not on the Veao Hawk. Same missiles, but different lock-on capability.

Compromises has to be made so that we can somewhat expect the same missile lock-on behavior no matter what module we fly.

[Zweistein000]

Dear MIG-21's developers

 

Thank you for this beautiful and absoultely fantastic module! :thumbup: Recently, one of my friends have noticed that the R60M missile in mig21's arsenal can head lock to the enemy aircrafts in the distance, while wiki said the R60M has only limited all-aspect capability(which I think the R60M can't head lock to an aircraft). So I was wondering whether this is a bug or u guys do have some documents proving the R60M have all-aspect capability? And could u guys share those documents? :book::helpsmilie:

 

Regards

Your faithful players

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-60_(missile)

 

This has come up several times before. Unfortunately there is no data on exactly how "limited" is that all aspect capability. Also the name of the feature itself (being all-aspect and not side aspect or rear aspect) kinda denotes that the missile is indeed capable of locking form the front (in some limited fashion). Thus, because people kept asking R-60M has been given a short-range head lock.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Zweistein000

[BadHabit]

Once again R-60M is not working for me at all in OB 1.5.6 ...