Performance sucks....

[myHelljumper]

The problem might be on your side, do you have any mods ? Did you tried a repair ?

 

The problem is on your side, I have 53 FPS in my M-2000C annnnnnnnnnd.......... 53 FPS in my Mig-21.

 

So the question is : Do you want a solution or so you just want to bash people and devs ?

 

If it's the first, please read what people say, they are here to help you. Otherwise you are just trolling and you got me, nice job :)

[myHelljumper]

Here is a link to the prices I have too deal with,,, its in norwegian, but just devide the numbers by ten and you will have waht it cost in euro and shipping is not included......

https://www.komplett.no/category/11209/datautstyr/minnebrikker?cnet-A00062-queryfacet=%5B34349738368%20TO%2034369738368%5D&manufacturer=Corsair

It's no scam, this is real, and the shop is some of the most popular webshops in Norway...

 

This RAM actually cost 350€ here too(and this is 32GB not 16GB so 16GB of RAM costs 150-175€ on your site... ), you can find 16GB medium quality for 100-150€...

 

There you go : https://www.komplett.no/product/894959/datautstyr/minnebrikker/corsair-vengeance-led-ddr4-3200mhz-16gb#

 

16GB for 1.599 of you money that is 179€. And this one is top quality.

Edited February 9, 2017 by myHelljumper

[spiddx]

Here is a link to the prices I have too deal with,,, its in norwegian, but just devide the numbers by ten and you will have waht it cost in euro and shipping is not included......

https://www.komplett.no/category/11209/datautstyr/minnebrikker?cnet-A00062-queryfacet=%5B34349738368%20TO%2034369738368%5D&manufacturer=Corsair

It's no scam, this is real, and the shop is some of the most popular webshops in Norway...

 

Well they told you to get 8 gigs of RAM, not 32. Just sayin'.

[Brainless]

I think you should get good performance with your system from MiG-21 module. I went to 16GB a year ago (from 8GB), but I don't remember to had any problems with MiG-21. Post your graphics settings. Also, try moderate overclock of your CPU. Believe me, you will feel it.

Edit: I purchased 8GB second hand month ago for my second home computer for just 40 Euro.

Edited February 9, 2017 by Brainless

[kaboki]

Well they told you to get 8 gigs of RAM, not 32. Just sayin'.

 

I know what they told me, but I never do as told.... Wait for my reasoning...

 

I have a planned computer upgrade somehere down the line next year(DCS has nothing too do with it), then ill go for kaby lake, 1080GTX and 64GB RAM, but that is next year, or maybe even more. So I see no point in upgrading my RAM now, just to have to throw it away, when I get my kaby lake(maybe even better if the kaby lake replacement has arrived).

 

Thats what I ment with expensive, also, who upgrades from 8 to 16 these days, you would go for 32 or 64,,, right....

 

But all this RAM, upgrade talk, BS, has nothing too do with the fact that the Mig 21 runs like shit compared to the other complex modules from other 3rd partys, wich is my whole point. Im kinda aware that my 'puter is shit. That's not the point!

 

 

 

So to everyone, get back on topic!!! Does this thread say "Im struggling with performance, need advice for upgrade", NO, it says, Mig 21 performance sucks, discuss!!

Edited February 9, 2017 by kaboki

[outlawal2]

And again no response to my suggestion..

 

So basically you want to whine rather than actually look for suggestions that might help..

 

DONE

 

with this...

[myHelljumper]

The problem is on your side, I have 53 FPS in my M-2000C annnnnnnnnnd.......... 53 FPS in my Mig-21.

 

Problem is on your side.

[kaboki]

Hey buddy did you read my earlier post or are you having too much fun bashing folks instead? Do you want assistance or are you here to simply troll?

 

 

To many replies, so I missed yours, sorry, and no Im not a troll, just a unsatisfied customer....

I dont want assiatance, I want LNS to get their finger out and make their module on par(performance wise) with the other modules from other devs..

 

Also to answer your post, no, i dont have old files from earlier releases laying around, came back from holiday 2 weeks ago, reinstalled windows, and DCS, so everything should be fine...

[ac5]

kaboki, RAM is definitely going to improve your situation,

but not going to solve the issues of the MIG 21 which I posted before.

(I have 32 gigs)....

[kaboki]

The problem is on your side, I have 53 FPS in my M-2000C annnnnnnnnnd.......... 53 FPS in my Mig-21.

 

So the question is : Do you want a solution or so you just want to bash people and devs ?

 

If it's the first, please read what people say, they are here to help you. Otherwise you are just trolling and you got me, nice job :)

 

C'mon, everyone that hasn't lived on the moon tha last couple of years does know that the Mig 21 is quite heavier performance wise than all the other modules, saying something else is just a pure lie, and you know it... It may be less noticible if having a uber computer, but for us normal mortal folks it's very noticible

 

kaboki, RAM is definitely going to improve your situation,

but not going to solve the issues of the MIG 21 which I posted before.

(I have 32 gigs)....

 

Ok mate, I guess I'll see some improvements in 2018, when I upgrade to kaby lake. But still, I dont like the idea of a module sucking out so much performance of the Sim, so personally, im gonna stay away from LNS products in the foreseeable future... Ok, im tired, over and out, you guys may continue without me, abi...

Edited February 9, 2017 by kaboki

[ac5]

C'mon, everyone that hasn't lived on the moon tha last couple of years does know that the Mig 21 is quite heavier performance wise than all the other modules, saying something else is just a pure lie, and you know it... It may be less noticible if having a uber computer, but for us normal mortal folks it's very noticible

 

Not only for you. And it is not only FPS.

The Mig 21 is quite heavier performance wise than all the other modules, period.

And it is difficult to understand why, as other modules are more complex, e.g. A-10 C

[kaboki]

Not only for you. And it is not only FPS.

The Mig 21 is quite heavier performance wise than all the other modules, period.

And it is difficult to understand why, as other modules are more complex, e.g. A-10 C

 

Thank god there is one more soul in this universe that see what Im trying to say, after 3 pages of flaming back and fourth.

 

Bless you sir:)

[ac5]

Well, thank you for the blessings,

and by no means this fact takes away the beauty of the

MIG 21 all the way in the top of the DCS modules....

Get those additional 8 gigs of RAM, nowadays is not so expensive any more.

[myHelljumper]

C'mon, everyone that hasn't lived on the moon tha last couple of years does know that the Mig 21 is quite heavier performance wise than all the other modules, saying something else is just a pure lie, and you know it... It may be less noticible if having a uber computer, but for us normal mortal folks it's very noticible

 

Are you calling me a liar ?

 

I have a worst computer that you : I5 2500K HD7950 16GB RAM

 

See ? I have the 16GB RAM recommended it's the only thing that is better.

 

I can make a video right know proving that I have 53FPS in the Mig and the 2000.

 

But yeah whining is easier that searching for solution. As you said :

get [your] finger out

[shab249]

Not only for you. And it is not only FPS.

The Mig 21 is quite heavier performance wise than all the other modules, period.

And it is difficult to understand why, as other modules are more complex, e.g. A-10 C

Mig-21 is mechanically MUCH more complex than the A10C. The ammount of switches are not eating the fps, or the hud or the mfd, it's the ammount of processing that your computer need to do when you are changing speed the cone is moving and the engine thrust change as well and the oxygen clock and maybe the oil pressure and it's only if you dont move at all. The A10C has the same thrust no cone and less complex (but smarter) systems. And lets not talk about radar and the capability of getting to mach 2.

 

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[NineLine]

Guys, keep it friendly. Everyone here is trying to help. If you are not hear to help, then move on to the next thread. We are all here to enjoy this hobby, we have all been frustrated with issues, lets all show some respect on both sides. I dont want to delete anymore posts, or close this thread.

[kaboki]

Well, thank you for the blessings,

and by no means this fact takes away the beauty of the

MIG 21 all the way in the top of the DCS modules....

Get those additional 8 gigs of RAM, nowadays is not so expensive any more.

 

I agree this module is beatyful, but the low frames takes away all my joy with it, unfortunetly. Also, I cant just buy 8 GB extra RAM, I have to buy 16GB, because you should always use the same batch of chips, buying a new batch of RAM and mix with my old ones, even if the same brand/type, can cause a lot of issues(been there). And also since Im upgrading my whole computer next year, it doesnt' make sense for me buying those 16GB now wich cost around 150 euro, when I'll have to throw them away next year anyway(kaby lake use DDR4, wich is what i need next year).

 

Guys, keep it friendly. Everyone here is trying to help. If you are not hear to help, then move on to the next thread. We are all here to enjoy this hobby, we have all been frustrated with issues, lets all show some respect on both sides. I dont want to delete anymore posts, or close this thread.

 

You might aswell close it, been going around in circles, and Im not here for computer upgrade advice, I was here to complain why this module is so demanding on performance compared to other modules around, and to hear if there was any plans from the devs to improve on it, wich seems not too be the case. So the whole point of the thread is already gone. And also it would help me from getting the ban hammer on me, because I kinda get stirred up easy, and might say things I don't mean in a "momentary lapse of reason".

Edited February 9, 2017 by kaboki

[ac5]

Mig-21 is mechanically MUCH more complex than the A10C. The ammount of switches are not eating the fps, or the hud or the mfd, it's the ammount of processing that your computer need to do when you are changing speed the cone is moving and the engine thrust change as well and the oxygen clock and maybe the oil pressure and it's only if you dont move at all. The A10C has the same thrust no cone and less complex (but smarter) systems. And lets not talk about radar and the capability of getting to mach 2.

 

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So the mig 21 is also more complex than the Viggen, you say?

[GaryIKILLYOU]

I would just like to point out that the MiG-21Bis has one of the most if not the most detailed cockpit in DCS. On top of the first radar to incorporate ground and cloud clutter. Those two things alone will cause it to use more resources than other modules. The inverse effect of high quality is less performance. I don't see how it is the developers responsibility if 1/10 of their customers are unhappy with performance while having old hardware. I know I'm not alone when I say the performance we're getting out of DCS is miles and miles better than what the average user would get out of say LOMAC 1.02 or OG DCS: Blackshark in their day. This may play a part of the "fanboys" having less issue with the MiG-21 than you seem to have. Who knows, who cares. You're here to complain about something that you say you're not going to use, so this thread is honestly pointless. In a year when you upgrade maybe you should give the MiG a chance instead of being triggered about the devs not catering to outliers whims.

[NineLine]

I agree this module is beatyful, but the low frames takes away all my joy with it, unfortunetly. Also, I cant just buy 8 GB extra RAM, I have to buy 16GB, because you should always use the same batch of chips, buying a new batch of RAM and mix with my old ones, even if the same brand/type, can cause a lot of issues(been there). And also since Im upgrading my whole computer next year, it doesnt' make sense for me buying those 16GB now wich cost around 150 euro, when I'll have to throw them away next year anyway(kaby lake use DDR4, wich is what i need next year).

 

Sorry, have you posted your settings and such, to see if people can help tweak settings. I totally understand not being able to throw money at an issue, so lets see if there is something else we can do.

[ac5]

Guys, keep it friendly. Everyone here is trying to help. If you are not hear to help, then move on to the next thread. We are all here to enjoy this hobby, we have all been frustrated with issues, lets all show some respect on both sides. I dont want to delete anymore posts, or close this thread.

 

I completely agree.

This is getting pointless.. I'm with you kaboki

and I don't consider I have a low end rig.

Bye, I'm out of here.

[Brainless]

I made quick comparison for me between MiG-21 and Mirage-2000 over Tbilisi. Mirage-2000 stay at 75fps, while MiG-21 drops to 70-60(occasionally) fps over dense areas. Yes, MiG-21 fps is somehow lower, but not so much. Also I can count the polygons on the Mirage (look at the intake), MiG-21 cockpit also have higher count polygons, may be because all this switches.

I doubt that MiG-21 will get lower polygons cockpit in future. For me performance is acceptable.

[NineLine]

I made quick comparison for me between MiG-21 and Mirage-2000 over Tbilisi. Mirage-2000 stay at 75fps, while MiG-21 drops to 70-60(occasionally) fps over dense areas. Yes, MiG-21 fps is somehow lower, but not so much. Also I can count the polygons on the Mirage (look at the intake), MiG-21 cockpit also have higher count polygons, may be because all this switches.

I doubt that MiG-21 will get lower polygons cockpit in future. For me performance is acceptable.

 

You should post a shot of your graphic settings as well, perhaps there is something different there that can help him.

[kaboki]

Sorry, have you posted your settings and such, to see if people can help tweak settings. I totally understand not being able to throw money at an issue, so lets see if there is something else we can do.

 

If DCS had "presets" I could change on the fly I may have bothered with tweaking settings(but there is a limit on how much 2006'ish I want the sim too look), wich I don't need help with BTW. But it is so annying having to change settings everytime I want to jump into the mig 21 and also have to remember what it was, so I don't want to bother with it+the graphics look like shit after tweaking. It's much more convinient for me and leave the settings like it is and enjoy ALL my other modules instead than have to worry about changing settings everytime I jump into the mig 21.

 

Nah, unless performance improve, I'll leave the mig in the hangar catching dust and forget that a company called LNS even existed...

Edited February 9, 2017 by kaboki

[kaboki]

You're here to complain about something that you say you're not going to use, so this thread is honestly pointless. In a year when you upgrade maybe you should give the MiG a chance instead of being triggered about the devs not catering to outliers whims.

 

When I bought the Mig, my hardware wasnt exactly museum relic material though..... And I have bought the product with "maybe" honest earned cash, and even if Im not using it(reason, performance sucks), it's my right as a customer to complain about it. If I got a refund right now, I would smile and shut up...and never look back...