Ever Found A Mig 25? They did!

[TucksonSonny]

what a waste of a good plane :(

 

Indeed it is.

The MiG-25 FoxBat recorded the only Iraqi air-to-air kill during the war.

A Mig-25PD shot down an F/A-18 on the first night of the war.

In another incident, an Iraqi Foxbat-E eluded eight American F-15's,

firing three missiles at EF-111 electronic warfare aircraft and forcing

them to abort their mission. In yet another incident,

two MiG-25's approached a pair of F-15 Eagles, fired missiles

(which were evaded by the F-15's), and then outran the American fighters.

Two more F-15's joined the pursuit, and a total of ten air-to-air missiles

were fired at the Foxbats, none could reach them.

[Guest IguanaKing]

firing three missiles at EF-111 electronic warfare aircraft and forcing

them to abort their mission.

 

So, these Soviet-made missiles forced the Raven to abort his mission, how about those missiles fired by the F-15s against the MiG-25? Was he forced to abort his mission or did he return?

[Pilotasso]

Indeed it is.

The MiG-25 FoxBat recorded the only Iraqi air-to-air kill during the war.

A Mig-25PD shot down an F/A-18 on the first night of the war.

In another incident, an Iraqi Foxbat-E eluded eight American F-15's,

firing three missiles at EF-111 electronic warfare aircraft and forcing

them to abort their mission. In yet another incident,

two MiG-25's approached a pair of F-15 Eagles, fired missiles

(which were evaded by the F-15's), and then outran the American fighters.

Two more F-15's joined the pursuit, and a total of ten air-to-air missiles

were fired at the Foxbats, none could reach them.

 

 

The F-18 shooting down never hapened. It was a report that left room for rumours but it was actucaly an SA-2 shooting up from a cloud.

 

Yeah the americans were challenged by Foxbats several times but I have never heard of those close call fights. What were your sources? Every account I heard the Foxbats limit themseleves by saying hello and then run for their lives. They have never actualy engaged the F-15's close enough for such tight contests AFAIK.

[Guest IguanaKing]

The F-18 shooting down never hapened. It was a report that left room for rumours but it was actucaly an SA-2 shooting up from a cloud.

 

Yeah the americans were challenged by Foxbats several times but I have never heard of those close call fights. What were your sources? Every account I heard the Foxbats limit themseleves by saying hello and then run for their lives. They have never actualy engaged the F-15's close enough for such tight contests AFAIK.

 

 

According to this link, Speicher WAS shot down by a MiG-25...http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_404.shtml.

 

I can give him that, since it mentions NOWHERE about attempted downings of EF-111s, and we already know that no F-111Fs were shot down...as the white entry shows a "claimed" victory.

[Pilotasso]

I have never trusted ACID, never will. Im a bit wary of internet sites such as this. Once seen an entry reporting an R-77 kill by a mig-27, when the R-77 has never been fired in combat neither the mig can use it or has a radar for it. :lol:

[Guest IguanaKing]

Yes, but did you happen to notice the color code of the entry of which you speak? BTW...its ACIG. I know that its photo of Major Robert Lodge is accurate anyway, since I sent that photo to a member of my web-site who had already received assistance from me in getting his official service photo from NPRC. She said that it was, in fact, the same man, and thanked me for sending her a second photo of the man for whom she had worn a POW/MIA bracelet for for the last 24 years.

[TucksonSonny]

I have never trusted ACID, never will. Im a bit wary of internet sites such as this. Once seen an entry reporting an R-77 kill by a mig-27, when the R-77 has never been fired in combat neither the mig can use it or has a radar for it. :lol:

 

My source was NOT www.acig.org

… And maybe one day they will find WMD in Iraq.

[Guest IguanaKing]

Yes, its evident which source WAS NOT your's. I think he was asking earlier which source WAS your's. :smilewink:

[TucksonSonny]

The F-18 shooting down never hapened. It was a report that left room for rumours but it was actucaly an SA-2 shooting up from a cloud.

 

Yes it did, The MiG-25PD recorded the only Iraqi air-to-air kill of the Gulf War. It dropped an F-18C on the first night of the war--then went on to fire another missile at an A-6 and buzz an A-7, all while avoiding escorting F-14s and F-15s.

An isolated incident? How about the single Iraqi Foxbat-E that eluded eight sweeping F-15s then tangled with two EF-111As, firing three missiles at the Ravens and chasing them off station. Unfortunately, the Ravens were supporting an F-15E strike, and the EF-111's retreat led to the loss of one of the Strike Eagles to a SAM. Oh BTW, the Foxbat easily avoided interception and returned safely to base.

There's more. When F-15 pilots were fighting for the chance to fly sweeps east of Baghdad late in the war, itching for a chance to get a shot at an Iraqi running for Iran, they weren't expecting the fight that a pair of Foxbats put up. Two Foxbats approached a pair of F-15s, fired missiles before the Eagles could get off shots (the missiles were evaded by the Eagles), then outran those two Eagles, four Sparrows and two Sidewinders fired back at them. Two more Eagles maneuvered to cut the Foxbat's off from their base (four more Eagles tried, but were unable to effect an intercept), and four more Sparrows were expended in vain trying to drop the Foxbats.

The Iraqis had a total of twelve MiG-25PDs at the beginning of the war, of which maybe half were operational at any given time. Imagine what trouble they would have caused if there had been more. The Foxbats, when well flown, proved capable of engaging allied fighters and avoiding them at will. Only the limitations of their weapons proved a problem.

[Guest IguanaKing]

I'll ask Pilotasso's question again, for him...since it was apparently misunderstood or ignored. ;) What is the source of your information?

[TucksonSonny]

I'll ask Pilotasso's question again, for him...since it was apparently misunderstood or ignored. ;) What is the source of your information?

 

It is funny but it is even registered in the Wikipedia-encyclopedia which was BTW also not my source!

Try to correct the source at "Wikipedia" and you will find out very quickly the source :D .

[Guest IguanaKing]

So, just humor me and give me the wikipedia source. Hey...I'm just a guy who knows nothing about this stuff, what harm could there be in giving me a specific link to the information you are posting. Just give me the wiki link, and I'll take it from there. :smilewink:

[p_o_d_2_2]

Why don't you just say what your source is?

[Guest IguanaKing]

Why don't you just say what your source is?

 

Very likely, because he's making it up as he goes along. :D

[TucksonSonny]

So, just humor me and give me the wikipedia source. Hey...I'm just a guy who knows nothing about this stuff, what harm could there be in giving me a specific link to the information you are posting. Just give me the wiki link, and I'll take it from there. :smilewink:

 

here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Air_Force

 

(notice “Gulf War and no-fly zones”)

[Guest IguanaKing]

OK...so then, you mentioned something about my challenging the sources they quoted...yet I see no sources in that link...except for maybe hot links to various terms in the article. Here...I'll explain what "shooting 10 missiles" means, and you're supposed to interpret from this that what we said is true. If its true, all it proves is that the MiG-25 is a marginally effective weapon whose best asset is running from a fight. :megalol:

 

BTW...what does "Gulf War and no-fly zones" mean to you?

[TucksonSonny]

OK...so then, you mentioned something about my challenging the sources they quoted...yet I see no sources in that link...except for maybe hot links to various terms in the article. Here...I'll explain what "shooting 10 missiles" means, and you're supposed to interpret from this that what we said is true. If its true, all it proves is that the MiG-25 is a marginally effective weapon whose best asset is running from a fight. :megalol:

 

BTW...what does "Gulf War and no-fly zones" mean to you?

 

And what was your source again of shooting down that F-18 by a Sa-2?

FOX news maybe?:lol:

[Guest IguanaKing]

See? This is what happens to those who use the "Fox News" defense. They apparently are so convinced of their mission against "Fox News" or insert any other source deemed to be unacceptable to them, that they fail to realize that the person they are currently conversing with has already agreed that the IrAF MiG-25 scored one kill against Lt. Cdr. Speicher's F/A-18. He's so blinded by anti "whoever" media talking points that he doesn't even realize the person he quoted made no mention of an SA-2 downing that aircraft. How embarrassing for you that you have to turn this into another anti-Fox News thread. OK...so it was the only kill scored by the MiG-25 using an R-60 against a combat aircraft. Impressive record! :megalol:

[Pilotasso]

My source was NOT www.acig.org

… And maybe one day they will find WMD in Iraq.

 

 

I was not replying to you regarding ACID. ;) You skiped some lines in the text, not that they were extensive anyway. :)

 

And what was your source again of shooting down that F-18 by a Sa-2?

FOX news maybe?:lol:

 

Probably the best single book on aviation: "Great book of modern Warplanes" by Bill Gunston and Mike Spick. Its a compilation of books since late 80's updated in 2003. Still in the mood to laugh? ;)

[Guest IguanaKing]

I was not replying to you regarding ACID. ;)

 

Is there any particular reason you are repeating what I thought was a typo on your part earlier?

[Pilotasso]

crap, I stand corrected. :D I was never good with names.

 

Sonny I would very much like to know better about the migs from a reliable source. All accounts I have seem to describe that the migs always kept their distance just enough to run away as soon as missiles were in the air. Those foxbats buzzing allied aircraft past F-15 CAPs seems a bit too spiced. They are fast but cant turn too good. And there cant be any sweetest target than a Foxbat roaming into you at mach 2 in a straight trajectory. :)

[hitman]

Or mach 2.8. You would have to be inhuman to be able to shoot a fox down doin that speed...reaction time notwithstanding...quickdraw too.

[Guest IguanaKing]

crap, I stand corrected. :D I was never good with names.

 

Sonny I would very much like to know better about the migs from a reliable source. All accounts I have seem to describe that the migs always kept their distance just enough to run away as soon as missiles were in the air. Those foxbats buzzing allied aircraft past F-15 CAPs seems a bit too spiced. They are fast but cant turn too good. And there cant be any sweetest target than a Foxbat roaming into you at mach 2 in a straight trajectory. :)

 

The buzzing stories ARE spiced, they are spiced horse-s**t. I guess that's why he can't produce a source other than Wikipedia.

[Hellcat61]

How embarrassing for you that you have to turn this into another anti-Fox News thread. OK...so it was the only kill scored by the MiG-25 using an R-60 against a combat aircraft. Impressive record! :megalol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by p_o_d_2_2

Why don't you just say what your source is?

 

Very likely, because he's making it up as he goes along. :D

 

Owned. I recommend you just come out and say that you have somthing against America. This way we will just take what you say worth a grain of salt.

[uhoh7]

come out and "say you have something against america"? In the fall of 2006 how could anyone?

 

It's this sort of blithering patriotism that got us in to the shamefull mess we are in now. IMHO.