fitness88 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 What commands would you suggest be mapped to the joystick & throttle [using X-52 Pro] and what technique do you use for accessing the clickable cockpit? After only flying FC3 planes I am very impressed how nicely this plane handles except when landing it seems to drop quickly when at landing speeds...what is the approach speed and landing technique you'd recommend? There is a lot to learn from all the available realism, how deep into this sim do some of you take it? Thank you.
Azrayen Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) Hi 1/ The same ones as on the real A/C (described in the manual). And I use the mouse for the rest. 2/ As in real, speed is a consequence, and varies due to various parameters (weight...) Aim instead for the correct AoA (14°) and glideslope. Whatever your speed is, it's the correct one. Edited April 20, 2017 by Azrayen
OnlyforDCS Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Read Chuck's guide to the M2000C. I use his tips on binding to HOTAS, with a few of my own modifications. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-uSpZROuEd3WnVhcm5hTUJOTjg/view None of the Mirage's systems are overly complicated, the Navigation is actually quite simple once you figure out how to initialize it properly and correct the waypoints, and that is it's most challenging system. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
Gunny Highway Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 You really don't need much mapped to the Hotas. I have nosewheel steering, magic slave/CCRP point button, chaff/flare release, and trim. You can switch between mouse look and clicking cockpit by double tapping the mouse wheel button. The plane doesn't require a lot of mapping, but you could map the TDC slew and target lock buttons if you wanted. When I need to change weapons I just click on the weapons selection panel manually. Overall I have found the Mirage to be very easy to fly and land. When landing just set the back wheels down at about 150 kts, and wheelie down the runway till about 115 kts and let the nose down softly. Landings are butter smooth with this thing, it is a gigantic wing after all. YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0vsd0o5MT4FGzkWjaEucVg Combat Vet, Couch Pilot
Gunny Highway Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 I would also suggest the English cockpit mod on the DCS user content download section, if you do not speak French. YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0vsd0o5MT4FGzkWjaEucVg Combat Vet, Couch Pilot
CrashO Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 I would also suggest the English cockpit mod on the DCS user content download section, if you do not speak French. For planes with a ton of buttons I can see it being helpfull, but for the mirage? If you learn something like 10 french words you can use pretty much all of the systems. Or even just the buttons locations and 2 words (Marche -> on, Arrêt -> off) And things like INS uses shorthand names and acronyms you have to learn, regardless of the language. Pretty sure the french labels are also easier when your looking for a specific function and googling for it. Since most people use the french names for buttons/functions and not the translated name.
fitness88 Posted April 20, 2017 Author Posted April 20, 2017 The F-15 landing was a challenge especially with a cross wind. I had most everything mapped to HOTAS but of course that was a limited function aircraft, easy to do. I'll be spending lots of time in the manual but Chuck's guide to the M2000C looks to be a good read! Thanks to all of you for this good info...I have my homework cut out for me.
Gunny Highway Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 I just like the English cockpit because it's irritating to me to not be able to read the warnings etc. you could learn what each French term translated to, id just rather save some time and bypass the language barrier. Did the same with mig21 and last-50, but those models came with a English option, no mod needed. YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0vsd0o5MT4FGzkWjaEucVg Combat Vet, Couch Pilot
fitness88 Posted April 20, 2017 Author Posted April 20, 2017 I noticed mention of trim commands. In a fly by wire plane such as the M-2000C why would there be the need to trim manually also I didn't feel the need to trim?
Xxx Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) What commands would you suggest be mapped to the joystick & throttle [using X-52 Pro] and what technique do you use for accessing the clickable cockpit? After only flying FC3 planes I am very impressed how nicely this plane handles except when landing it seems to drop quickly when at landing speeds...what is the approach speed and landing technique you'd recommend? There is a lot to learn from all the available realism, how deep into this sim do some of you take it? Thank you. I have also just bought the Mirage. Chuck's guide is superb. I use the X55 and try to go with what's mapped in the actual aircraft. Landing is a marvellous experience into the world of Fly By Wire! Her is a clip from Chuck's guide. https:// Landing is all about AOA and glide slope. Cheers. Edited April 20, 2017 by Accipiter Tablet finger trouble [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]i7 Haswell @ 4.6Ghz, Z97p, GTX1080, 32GB DDR3, x3SSD, Win7/64, professional. 32" BenQ, TIR 5, Saitek x55 HOTAS. Search User Files for "herky" for my uploaded missions. My flight sim videos on You Tube. https://www.youtube.com/user/David Herky
fitness88 Posted April 20, 2017 Author Posted April 20, 2017 Because the trim hat also controls the AP. Am I to assume the trim is only used when there is a system flight control failure?
fitness88 Posted April 20, 2017 Author Posted April 20, 2017 I have also just bought the Mirage. Chuck's guide is superb. I use the X55 and try to go with what's mapped in the actual aircraft. Landing is a marvellous experience into the world of Fly By Wire! Her is a clip from Chuck's guide. https:// Landing is all about AOA and glide slope. Cheers. Much the way it is with the F-15, I got used to that discipline as I will have to with the M-2000C. Off topic for a moment, which planes in DCS can carry the Aim-120 besides the F-15.
shonist Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Am I to assume the trim is only used when there is a system flight control failure? trim is very useful when in autopilot mode and if you are damaged or something, perhaps you have to trim your aircraft to maintain linear... i use trim a lot I7 7700k - Msi Z270 Gaming+ GTX 1070ti 16gb @2400 2x Samsung 850EVO 250/500 - 1x HDD 1TB SAITEK-MAD CATZ CYBORG FLY 5 STICK WIN 10
Oceandar Posted April 21, 2017 Posted April 21, 2017 Add to that, trim is also useful when you have asymmetric load. For example when you fire single 530D or magic missile then the jet would tend to lean to the right or left Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself is true power. - Lao Tze
fitness88 Posted April 21, 2017 Author Posted April 21, 2017 Add to that, trim is also useful when you have asymmetric load. For example when you fire single 530D or magic missile then the jet would tend to lean to the right or left I see, I thought fly by wire compensated for all that...good to know.
fitness88 Posted April 21, 2017 Author Posted April 21, 2017 Read Chuck's guide to the M2000C. I use his tips on binding to HOTAS, with a few of my own modifications. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-uSpZROuEd3WnVhcm5hTUJOTjg/view None of the Mirage's systems are overly complicated, the Navigation is actually quite simple once you figure out how to initialize it properly and correct the waypoints, and that is it's most challenging system. I've been doing a lot of Chuck's guide reading...there's a lot to learn, all the systems seem pretty involved requiring lots of inputs. I'm pretty patient should take me around 5 years...kidding aside that's what I like about the sim, there's always something to learn.
Dehuman Posted April 21, 2017 Posted April 21, 2017 I see, I thought fly by wire compensated for all that...good to know. The fly by wire auto-trim just aims to maintain 1g
fitness88 Posted April 21, 2017 Author Posted April 21, 2017 The fly by wire auto-trim just aims to maintain 1g When I used to fly the Mig-29s trimming was a full time job otherwise you felt the heaviness on the joystick. With the M-2000C I haven't yet felt the need to trim but based on what I've read here I should expect to under certain circumstances but it will probably be more subtle.
OnlyforDCS Posted April 21, 2017 Posted April 21, 2017 You are correct, I almost never trim in the Mirage, except to correct for a rolling moment after I fire a missile. The FBW takes care of the rest. To answer your other question, currently the only plane that can carry the AIM120C in DCS World is the F15C. This will change with the release of the Hornet. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
fitness88 Posted April 21, 2017 Author Posted April 21, 2017 You are correct, I almost never trim in the Mirage, except to correct for a rolling moment after I fire a missile. The FBW takes care of the rest. To answer your other question, currently the only plane that can carry the AIM120C in DCS World is the F15C. This will change with the release of the Hornet. Thanks for that info. I would have thought other countries would have developed for their own planes a fully radar active missile to help level the playing surface as the AIM120C carries a lot of respect, after all it's not only the U.S.A. that flies the F-15.
myHelljumper Posted April 21, 2017 Posted April 21, 2017 Other country have, it's just that their planes is not modeled in DCS. The Mirage 2000-5 have Fox3 missiles for example. Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA
fitness88 Posted April 21, 2017 Author Posted April 21, 2017 Other country have, it's just that their planes is not modeled in DCS. The Mirage 2000-5 have Fox3 missiles for example. Lets get some
Azrayen Posted April 21, 2017 Posted April 21, 2017 Lets get some Not gonna happen. 2000-5 isn't 2000C. Here is why. Razbam won't do 2000-5. Here is why. Also https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=174258 Kinda dead-beaten horse of a topic ;)
Winterz Posted April 21, 2017 Posted April 21, 2017 I would pay for a B variant once the C is out. :) Could be great to introduce new pilots to the Mirage.
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