Black_Hawk Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Is it just me or does this thing have 2 HUDs? It would explain the high positioning of the copilot/navigator. Here's a pic: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/cesaresc/Aero/5.jpg Is it a HUD in front of the guy at the rear seat or just a handle? If it is a handle then somebody please explain me why is the guy at the back seat so high? Can he also take control over the aircraft? 159th GAR LockOnFiles CAW Team
Shaman Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 You can take control over the aircraft from the back seat. http://vayu-sena-aux.tripod.com/pix/su30-iaf-cockpit01.jpg http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/pix/Cope-India_Su-30_cockpit.jpg It doesn't like like standard front HUD, but still looks like some sort of HUD. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Black_Hawk Posted December 17, 2006 Author Posted December 17, 2006 Um, I don't see your image. Can you upload it somewhere (say Photobucket) so it will be visible? 159th GAR LockOnFiles CAW Team
Shaman Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Try again... edited my post, go for the link 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Cosmonaut Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Looks like two HUDs too me:huh: Maybe a Training Su30?:dunno: Cozmo. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Minimum effort, maximum satisfaction. CDDS Tutorial Version 3. | Main Screen Mods.
Vekkinho Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Perhaps it's just some simplified HUD version, projecting only GRID and NAV modes. Same thing is modelled in LOMAN/FC. One can clearly see that small frame in front of the Sturman but Sturman is also able of piloting the aircraft as he's got same controls for Basic Flight Maneuvering (stick & throttle). MiG-29UB and MiG-31 have a small periscope rising a top of the canopy for visual landings and maneuvering, but both airmen in Su-30 have almost the same angle of view because Sturman's seat is much higher than pilot's. Almost like in Mi-24 Hind! Looks like two HUDs too me:huh: Maybe a Training Su30?:dunno:Every Su-30 model I've seen so far (MKK and MKI) have same feature! Sorry shamandgg, I started writing those words above before you made a post, now I can see that you've already said the same thing! But your links don't work! It says 'Image hosted by Tripod!' [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Black_Hawk Posted December 17, 2006 Author Posted December 17, 2006 Still no go. Maybe if you upload it on a image hosting service? Because the site doesn't support hotlinking. 159th GAR LockOnFiles CAW Team
Shaman Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 hmm... here it comes 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
TheProphet Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Both of them have HUDs, one for each ofcourse. I've seen a video of a really low level flight from the back seat of an Su-30 and the co-pilot have a HUD and the forward visibility from the back seat is great. I wish I could find this video again, it was in a very good quilty and the camera was mounted in a great place so you could see all the action in the low level flight. EDIT: Found this on Google: http://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-30/su-30_specs.htm 6700K | ASUS Z170 | 32GB RAM | GTX 680 | 850EVO
Black_Hawk Posted December 17, 2006 Author Posted December 17, 2006 Thanks for the images shamandgg. And try to find the video again TheProphet :pilotfly: 159th GAR LockOnFiles CAW Team
Cosmonaut Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Every Su-30 model I've seen so far (MKK and MKI) have same feature! Ah never really had a good look before. Hey guys upload it to http://www.imageshack.us/ Cozmo. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Minimum effort, maximum satisfaction. CDDS Tutorial Version 3. | Main Screen Mods.
Vekkinho Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Take a look at the condition of those seats in Su-30 from Shaman's pic! Leather looks devastated like in public transport vehicle, bus or a train! WTF do they do with it?! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
RvETito Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 All 2-seat version of Su-27 have a smaller, simplified HUD in the rear cockpit. Even the Su-27UB has it. The rear pilot, i.e. the instructor sits higher than the front pilot in order to have better front visibility during take-off and landing, that's why it doesn't need a periscope like the entire MiG family. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
Vekkinho Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 that's why it doesn't need a periscope like the entire MiG family. I thougth I explained it! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Shaman Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Take a look at the condition of those seats in Su-30 from Shaman's pic! Leather looks devastated like in public transport vehicle, bus or a train! WTF do they do with it?! This is not a luxury plane nor F-16 that needs ultra clean runways, but a rough war-plane that's meant to fight in global/total war and can be repaired with simple hammer, welder or screwdriver. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
nscode Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 This is not a luxury plane nor F-16 that needs ultra clean runways, but a rough war-plane that's meant to fight in global/total war and can be repaired with simple hammer, welder or screwdriver. Easy for you to say.... don't think that the actuall pilots wouldn't like a more confortable ride. But if they have a choice of either a nice seet or fuel to fly, guess what they take. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
britgliderpilot Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Easy for you to say.... don't think that the actuall pilots wouldn't like a more confortable ride. But if they have a choice of either a nice seet or fuel to fly, guess what they take. . . . . It's still leather, right? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Krendel Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Easy for you to say.... don't think that the actuall pilots wouldn't like a more confortable ride. But if they have a choice of either a nice seet or fuel to fly, guess what they take. What makes you think it's uncomfortable ? You think comfortable one = good looking one and vice versa ? 1
Force_Feedback Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 F-16, comfortable? Sir, you are on crack. :P Seriousely, the reclined seat, and plastic headrest, not leather covered fiberglass like on the k-36, is hardly comfortable, and, on the F-16 the pilot rarely puts his/her head to the rest. And it's damn hot in India, so the leather will dry out faster, but most probably the pilots had itchy heads. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Pilotasso Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Does anyone know the symbology of the Su-30? is it the same as the russians or is it westernized (i.e. artificial horizon and pitch ladder) I dislike russian HUD's a bit. :) .
britgliderpilot Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Does anyone know the symbology of the Su-30? is it the same as the russians or is it westernized (i.e. artificial horizon and pitch ladder) I dislike russian HUD's a bit. :) Rather suspect it's down to the customer's choice :) Remember reading a criticism of the Russian system from a USMC test pilot who'd flown in a two-seater, so imagine the Russian ones remain the same. The Indian versions . . . don't know. They've had MiGs before and are continuing to buy them, but then if you're buying aircraft in that quantity I imagine Sukhoi will make the HUD symbology do what YOU want it to ;) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Vekkinho Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Does anyone know the symbology of the Su-30? is it the same as the russians or is it westernized (i.e. artificial horizon and pitch ladder) I dislike russian HUD's a bit. :) I remember this feature from Falcon 4. The thing has AoA marker right on it's HUD and this is important since F-16 lands at 10-15 deg AoA. Tailscrape will happen if you go beyond 15 deg because F-16 lands with speedbrakes extended. However LOS is quite cool even with that AoA, pilot can see the runway throughout entire approach and final and there's no need for flaring before touchdown. Can say if that's the same in RL but in F4:AF that's how it it! Entire Sukhoi family has big dorsal airbrake so monitoring AoA during approach and final to avoid tailscrapes is not a must. MiG-29 (9-12 and 9-13) have butterfly airbrake and glidepath is quite shallow (vertical velocity <5m/s). So MiG pilots approach really low and flare just above the runway at an alt <10m. There's a aircraft datum on russian HUDs that doesn't show actual FPM but it tells us where your nose (gun) is pointing. FPM is the difference between datum and AoA. There's AoA / G gauge on the left hand side of the upper cockpit. Western HUDs provide more info than russian ones and can be quite handy. Especially those TOT/ETA display in the lower right HUD. But even without it good pilot should be able to plan it's route and TOT. I doubt that russian pilots miss it like crazy! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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