BitMaster Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Some say it will do 5.3G on water ...hmmm..let's wait 'n' see the actual thing in the wild Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenux Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 I wonder why so many people recommend not to upgrade from i7 4790k to 8700 k 8700 k should be at least 25 % faster than i7 4790k I9 12900k@ 5 GHz | 32 GB DDR4 | Asus ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming Wifi d4| RTX 3090 | 6 TB SSD + 8 TB HDD | 4K Samsung Q90R 55" | VKB MK III PRO L | Virpil Throttle MONGOOST-50 | MFG Crosswind | TrackIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 because it wont matter for DCS unless you play at 1080p and demand fps way over 150. As you can overclock both CPU's, both are plenty for DCS and the bottleneck will be the GPU as you climb up the ladder with resolution and VR. Any 2600k @ 4.8G is still plenty. Your 4790k should reach 4.7G in oc..so even if the 8700k goes 5.3G its only 600 MHz on top of already high enough imho. I would then rather take care for more PCIe, more GPU, more RAM etc.. Sure, the board and chipset offer other candy as well, USB-C, NVMe, more PCIe lanes, etc.. At the end of the day, DCS doesnt care too much about that candy. If I had a 4790k I think I would wait for Ryzen2. If you have too much mOney, well..sure..go for it, it is definitely faster ;) Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastyBaiter Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 It matters if you play in VR though, VR needs around 150-170 fps on monitor to get 90 fps in VR. Additionally, in DCS 1.5 there are areas that absolutely tank performance. I did a Ryzen 1600x review a while back here and though faster than an i5-4690 in single thread, even it was sub 60 fps in a few areas at low altitude. I'm actually looking at swapping my 1600x for an 8700k. I need the extra cores/threads of the 1600x compared to the 7700k, but I would like to be able to play DCS at 90 fps instead of 45. The 1600x falls just barely short of the required single thread performance to hit 90 in VR over NTTR while on the deck. Admittedly all of this is due the game engine not taking advantage of the other 10 threads my CPU has, but it is the way it is at the moment. No telling when DCS will get updated to use CPU's more effectively. System specs: i5-10600k (4.9 GHz), RX 6950XT, 32GB DDR4 3200, NVMe SSD, Reverb G2, WinWing Super Libra/Taurus, CH Pro Pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 the 8700K is a beast of a CPU so much so it screws up people who got 8 cores on X299 platform. It will be awesome for DCS but unless you have other applications to take advantage of more than 4 full cores I'd rather keep that 4790k and go for a better graphics card. A 1080Ti comes to mind. [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 BeastyBaiter you don't need 90FPS for VR. See my specs in my signature. To be honest, I get smooth FPS (probably 45) all day, every day. I never get nausea, I always have a good time, and its extremely rare that I get a noticeable stutter while playing. At that, the gains from a 8700K are mute. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastyBaiter Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I don't need 90 fps, but I'd certainly like it. 45 fps doesn't make me ill, it's just fine in that respect. But I would like it a lot smoother. Also, though DCS 2.x will run 45 fps all day at very high settings (going ultra low doesn't have any impact on fps) about half the map in DCS 1.5 is completely unplayable in VR even in an empty mission due to the way the graphics engine works there. Last time I was on 104th, I exited the mission mid flight cause I was getting 12 fps in the middle of no where at high altitude with nothing going on within 50km of me. Admittedly that's just DCS 1.5 being DCS 1.5, but an 8700k at 5.0+ GHz might bump it from 12 fps to 22 fps. That's still kinda sorta playable. This is with a GTX 1080 TI btw. In any case, it shouldn't be a hugely expensive swap. I expect I'll get a good price for the 1600x + mobo since it still crushes Intel in terms of value and is great for gaming in general. It's just DCS and to a lesser extent, BoS in VR where it struggles some. Both are due to the engines not being properly multi-threaded and not at all a fault in the CPU, but it is what it is. I hate calling such problems a CPU bottleneck as the CPU is definitely not being fully used. Can't really call it a CPU bottleneck when the CPU is running at 12% capacity.;) System specs: i5-10600k (4.9 GHz), RX 6950XT, 32GB DDR4 3200, NVMe SSD, Reverb G2, WinWing Super Libra/Taurus, CH Pro Pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenux Posted September 26, 2017 Author Share Posted September 26, 2017 I have 3 options :) GTX 1080 SLI Upgrade to GTX 1080 Ti Waiting for the Volta I9 12900k@ 5 GHz | 32 GB DDR4 | Asus ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming Wifi d4| RTX 3090 | 6 TB SSD + 8 TB HDD | 4K Samsung Q90R 55" | VKB MK III PRO L | Virpil Throttle MONGOOST-50 | MFG Crosswind | TrackIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 SLI isn't supported so its not an option. Get a 1080Ti if you like but at this time without proper software support I don't think its worth the cash. Waiting is your best path. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenux Posted September 26, 2017 Author Share Posted September 26, 2017 " proper software support " ? Do you mean the nVidia drivers ?? I9 12900k@ 5 GHz | 32 GB DDR4 | Asus ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming Wifi d4| RTX 3090 | 6 TB SSD + 8 TB HDD | 4K Samsung Q90R 55" | VKB MK III PRO L | Virpil Throttle MONGOOST-50 | MFG Crosswind | TrackIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 No, I mean DCS code. Actual VR integration, multicore support, etc. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David OC Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) I think DCS will get better and more optimized for monitor and VR, the splitting of cores / threads is the hard part moving forward. We had a good discussion about this a while back, this post below by c0ff is the only little bit of info I've seen about it and what ED could possibly do to help the sim without a full rewrite, not sure if it would be possible or even feasible to attempt a full rewrite for multi cores / threads for a sim like DCS? what is being refactored/rewritten does use multi-threading where possible. atm the major parts which do it are: resource loading and other I/O (logging, input, ffb ...), integrity checking, sound w/o rewriting the engine, splitting simulation into a separate thread from the graphics will benefit it most - which will be, in fact, the mentioned client-server approach, just inside the app. The Post The way I read this, ED is look into separating the threads in a similar way you can use a 2nd PC as a server to handle large SP missions, they plan on doing this inside “the app” itself. I hope they can pull this off down the road, Not sure if these new 6 core, 10 core will greatly benifit from this type of update? Anything would help tho. . Edited September 26, 2017 by David OC i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Finally there is consense about that there is no other way for DCS but going multithreaded. I remember times when I got beaten for mentioning this unavoidable need LOoooL. The client/server separation makes the most sense ! Looking forward to that ;) Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Join the club my friend :D [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 " proper software support " ? Do you mean the nVidia drivers ?? There are VR specific optimizations that are for NVidia only. I wish ED would take the time to optimize the game for Nvidia and AMD users. But if I had to choose, DX12 should come first! hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenux Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 Could anyone here with GTX 1080 Ti / 4k / share the graphics settings (printscreen would be best ) Normandy, please ? Thank you I9 12900k@ 5 GHz | 32 GB DDR4 | Asus ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming Wifi d4| RTX 3090 | 6 TB SSD + 8 TB HDD | 4K Samsung Q90R 55" | VKB MK III PRO L | Virpil Throttle MONGOOST-50 | MFG Crosswind | TrackIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkspade Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 The 7700K only has a 6.2% IPC advantage on the 4790K, by which the the 4790K @ 4.7 ties the 7700K stock. The 8700K is basically the same IPC as the 7700K, and getting it to 5Ghz requires water. http://104thphoenix.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Out of the box, if you dont OC, there is hardly any IPC gain. Those 6.2% are half of a 11% OC in clock cycles for the 7700k-5G or 8700k-5.2G with good samples. If you dont OC than the 8700K is the fastes Out-of-theBox in IPC. If you OC than now none can be driven further than 8700K in IPC with water and delid, 5.2G was rocksolid at HardOCP for hours and hours of Small FFT's. And if you own a 4790K that is well overclocked, say 4.8G, than there is hardly any reason to update for the CPU alone. NVMe and some other goodies may not be worth it for most Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenux Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 I've decided to upgrade to GTX 1080 Ti, and i don't know which model OC or stock ? Is it worth 100 euro more for the GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Aorus Xtreme ? I9 12900k@ 5 GHz | 32 GB DDR4 | Asus ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming Wifi d4| RTX 3090 | 6 TB SSD + 8 TB HDD | 4K Samsung Q90R 55" | VKB MK III PRO L | Virpil Throttle MONGOOST-50 | MFG Crosswind | TrackIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenux Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 I ordered the EVGA GTX 1080 Ti Ftw3 I9 12900k@ 5 GHz | 32 GB DDR4 | Asus ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming Wifi d4| RTX 3090 | 6 TB SSD + 8 TB HDD | 4K Samsung Q90R 55" | VKB MK III PRO L | Virpil Throttle MONGOOST-50 | MFG Crosswind | TrackIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David OC Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Could anyone here with GTX 1080 Ti / 4k / share the graphics settings (printscreen would be best ) Normandy, please ? Thank you Not 1080ti, try these settings tho, DCS has problems with MSAA / Anisotropic Filtering at the moment when using Deferred Shading for good frames etc. VinnieJones use these setting and took some screenshots at 4k, you can see them here. These are my settings for DCS 2.1 at the moment, DCS is going to be more optimized moving forward and I can turn these settings up more in different type of smaller missions, the settings and screenshot below are from the new Spitfire Campaign with quite a few AI and objects etc. I was trying to find a good balance here. I only have the 1070, CPU overclocked at 4.9 when flying this mission. Frames are from 55 to 100 FPS. I also have Gsync which helps smooth things out. Try these settings for a start and tweak from there, it will change as ED makes updates. Edit. This was at 2560 x 1440P screen res. Spitfire Campaign Screenshot i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenux Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 Upgraded from 1080 to 1080 ti, I'm more than happy I9 12900k@ 5 GHz | 32 GB DDR4 | Asus ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming Wifi d4| RTX 3090 | 6 TB SSD + 8 TB HDD | 4K Samsung Q90R 55" | VKB MK III PRO L | Virpil Throttle MONGOOST-50 | MFG Crosswind | TrackIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangi Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Upgraded from 1080 to 1080 ti, I'm more than happy I am more than jealous.... PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Upgraded from 1080 to 1080 ti, I'm more than happy Went from SLI 970's to a 1080Ti after taking 2-2.5 years away from using my PC for anything...couldn't be happier. IRT the OP, I've got a 4790K OC'ed at 4.7ghz, so I can't really see enough of a benefit in me upgrading when looking specifically at DCS performance to rationalize it. VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenux Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 I couldn't reach 4,6 GHz or higher, but I will try again, soon I9 12900k@ 5 GHz | 32 GB DDR4 | Asus ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming Wifi d4| RTX 3090 | 6 TB SSD + 8 TB HDD | 4K Samsung Q90R 55" | VKB MK III PRO L | Virpil Throttle MONGOOST-50 | MFG Crosswind | TrackIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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