Tactics on F15

[Kevlon]

Tactics on F15 ? hmm.. let me see.. oh yeah..dont fly it ;D

[Pilotasso]

You dont know what your missing. :D

 

...once you get to know to use it properly that is. some people tried it and they got intimidated with the complexity of the Eagles radar handling. But even with all those automatic features missing, it STILL provides the best SA of all planes on LOMAC

[Frostie]

Heres an example of me tracking a bandit very low from a very high altitude.

 

99% of the people would have let him pass under the radar and get shot in the belly.

 

....once you get to know to use it properly that is. some people tried it and they got intimidated with the complexity of the Eagles radar handling. But even with all those automatic features missing, it STILL provides the best SA of all planes on LOMAC

But not quite good enough to see that ET underneath you about to splash your ass from that dude thats been tracking you with datalink, peeing himself at your mighty contrails.heehee:D

[S77th-GOYA]

At least we don't pee ourselves. :smilewink:

[GGTharos]

Not at 14nm (yes, I know, you can maddog it. Don't worry, this little unrealistic feature is way up on someone's list to fix)

 

Dogs_Body, my program only works with G15 but it can be changed to work with other displays.

[Geier]

... ET aren't meant to be used in the game the way we use them now. No more Super Heater...

 

 

That is why Russian Air Force still not developes the 27ET. Unfortunately, it isnt showed in LO, but I hope it will be changed in BS

[GGTharos]

Are you saying the Russian Air Force is no longer buying R-27ET?

 

Its range at low alt is comparable to the 73's, so to me it looks like it really is some sort of anti-bomber weapon ... bombers tend to be equipped with very effective jammers, and heat seekers are probably the best option against them. The R-27ET features a fairly large warheads which seems to make it a good candidate for such.

 

When flying in a straight line, the R_27T matches very closely with R_73 for range in a tail-chase, and R-27ET does only a little better, from what I was able to see, so I think head or beam-on engagement against large IR targets is what the ET is for, or retreating bombers.

[Pilotasso]

Where are you getting those reports GG?

[GGTharos]

Not reports, just minizap calculations. It looks like your range is dictated quite strictly by the mass/fuel mass ratio, especially at lower altitudes.

 

An overall heavier missile will give you a bit extra range probably due to inertia, but not that much.

[GGTharos]

Yeah - that's just a function of LOMAC's missile scripting.

[PythonOne]

Originally Posted by Pilotasso

The target designator should be close to the aircraft your targeting. In real planes you dont need to do this, but since LOMAC doesnt have auto tilt antenna, placing the cursor next to the target gives you a better idea about how the antenna should be best aimed, up or down. If you dont youll be watching wrong altitude limits (i.e. minimum and maximum scan altitudes ) and give you the impression the target disapears at 20 miles.

 

What hapens is that the Scan altitude limits is different depending how far the cursor is from the bottom of the MFD (try it and see them change with distance), if the cursor is not near the target, these limits might not be the correct ones by the targets distance to you. Ices track (see online track thread) shows how in the first engagement a high altitude bandit slips above the radars view cone because hes thinking the antenna is well aimed but its not. If he had the cursor next to the target he could have seen that it was about to leave the viewcone.

 

Dogs, the trick I teached you (tryied to) is for IFF at short ranges (say 6-10 miles) because you cant otherwise (games fault). Basicaly the trick consists of the technique above, lock him up, take note of his altitude (remenber cursor next to target), unlock and swich to either TWS or RWS, then tilt so that the targets altitude is between the scan limits, by this time it should apear on radar again, if its rectangle its enemy, re-lock again (if its hostile confirmed just swich to bore mode) and fire.

 

 

Special observation:

 

Try it at 10 miles with a big altitude displacement to the target. When your confortable with it, learn how to use azimuth scan limits, the norrower mode gives you triple the detection speed, and you can slew it sideways so you an aim the antenna to the sides.

 

I have 1 hat on my X52 to do up/down antenna aim, and azimuth lateral aim (basicaly the same as tilt but horizontaly) heres how I set up that hat:

 

^

I Tilt up

 

I Tilt down

V

 

-> Azimuth scan right

<- Azimuth scan left

 

and you need to have another button to maximize/minimize azimuth (watch the small 2 circles at the bottom of the radar, they show the azimuth apperture)

 

The right stick programing and practice will allow you to give major upsets to those migs flying down low trying to sneak under your radar, its realy fun. :)

 

Could you PM me your profile as well?

[Pilotasso]

you cant attatch files in PM's so here it goes.

 

Edit: changed the file to include intruction names on some commands. Download again

[Colt40Five]

This doesn't count as IFF? :pilotfly:

 

[Geier]

Colt40five, thatdoes but you can't IFF in bore or any close range mode.

 

especially when you lock the target: you have to unlock, then check, and only then lock the bandit, at that time he can use the all his cheater`s ET and fly away while you will pick in your nose:(

[Geier]

And what about the programm?

[Geier]

F15 dudes, I have some new questions:

Here http://www.dpsflight.com/F15BVR.htm

I've read:

Track While Scan (TWS) Mode.

Select AIM-120 Key_D on Programmable Armament Control System.

Enter TWS mode Alt_i. In this mode a salvo of AIM-120s can be fired at multiple contacts and the targets will not know that they have been ‘locked-up’ until the AIM-120s go active.

1. Does it mean that if you lock the target in TWS, there will be no information about this on his SPO?

2. When does the enemy can recognize my locking - after lauching the AIM-120 or when it locks up the bandit by its radar?

[FVMAD]

F15 dudes, I have some new questions:

Here http://www.dpsflight.com/F15BVR.htm

I've read:

1. Does it mean that if you lock the target in TWS, there will be no information about this on his SPO?

2. When does the enemy can recognize my locking - after lauching the AIM-120 or when it locks up the bandit by its radar?

 

1. СПО при захвате с TEWS продолжает идентифицировать сигнал как сканирование/обзор.

2. пуск будет замечен только после включения головы 120ки.

[Geier]

1. СПО при захвате с TEWS продолжает идентифицировать сигнал как сканирование/обзор.

2. пуск будет замечен только после включения головы 120ки.

 

Thx:)

The range of active stage is 27nm, isn't it? I just don't remember exactly...

[Pilotasso]

In TWS youll get the indication your being painted, but not locked. You wont know your being attacked for certain. Your best way to defend yourself is to know if any friendlies are using radar in front of you, if not, take some measures to evade that radar once it fills up but to the last 2 leds. It means the enemy has already come close enough for such an attack.

 

Fortunatly for mig and Su drivers in this game the AMRAAM is not lethal enough for that to give any particular advantage and you have time to react after an AMRAAM goes active.

[Geier]

In TWS youll get the indication your being painted, but not locked. You wont know your being attacked for certain. Your best way to defend yourself is to know if any friendlies are using radar in front of you, if not, take some measures to evade that radar once it fills up but to the last 2 leds. It means the enemy has already come close enough for such an attack.

 

Fortunatly for mig and Su drivers in this game the AMRAAM is not lethal enough for that to give any particular advantage and you have time to react after an AMRAAM goes active.

 

 

Clear, Thx:)

[vistrel]

Can F-15 pilot lock me in TWS even if I have jammer on ?

[Pilotasso]

In current modeling no, LOMAC almost denies multi targeting due to the extreme short burn through range implemented and poor AMRAAM perfomance, its more likely to miss all missiles on 1 target than hit 2.

[Geier]

In current modeling no, LOMAC almost denies multi targeting due to the extreme short burn through range implemented and poor AMRAAM perfomance, its more likely to miss all missiles on 1 target than hit 2.

 

Once Chizh's said there would be another situation with AMRAAMs in the BS.

Current AIM-120C will be renamed to AIM-120B. AIM-120C will appeared there as a new missile with new performance...

[Maciver]

Pilotasso is right, it's very unlikely to kill more than one target in TWS. Although, I'd like to add, there are situations where it can be benificial to lock and fire on multiple targets.

 

Just yesterday i killed 3 at once in TWS. It works best if you have "bait". Friendly aircraft infront of you engaging multiple bandits. This way they are not focused on you.

 

Another application is sort of a defensive manuever. When i have odds stacked against me, 2 or 3 bandits coming in on me. Esspecially when it's a squad flying together that i have pretty much no chance against. lol Lock em all up in TWS, fire on them when in range, then get the hell out of there when the missles go active.

[FVMAD]

Once Chizh's said there would be another situation with AMRAAMs in the BS.

Current AIM-120C will be renamed to AIM-120B. AIM-120C will appeared there as a new missile with new performance...

 

Not new performance, It'll be same 120 but more jam/chaff ressistant.

Another thing is that they promised AFM for all weapons, m.b. AMRAAM won't lose energy so fast.