Intel short supply of Coffee Lake models

[Konovalov]

Nice one Intel. Looks like the speculation on the net was right. No available i7-8700k chips in Australia on day of release. And all i5-8600k sold out so guessing there were not many available to begin with. Looks like Intel were desperate to rush these out to combat Ryzen. Maybe I should just bite the bullet and go AMD with the knowledge that I will be able to slot a Ryzen 2 chip into same motherboard. And by then AMD should have addressed the 4Ghz hit the wall clock speed issue.

 

Below article sums up poor supply situation and inflated prices.

 

http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-coffee-lake-stock-situation-looks-poor_198546

 

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Edited October 6, 2017 by Konovalov
Added Legit Reviews article link

[BitMaster]

ROFL :megalol:

[Pilotasso]

Intel rushed this, it was originally planned for Q1 anyway. Thats a good thing as prices in Q4 are always prohibitive.

 

This chip should be called I9 because the pricing sure hell looks above what the I7's used to cost on the mainstream.

[Konovalov]

Yep expensive. Here in Australia you are looking at AUD $549 but as I said none are available so that's a moot point. The i5-8600k, also unavailable right now is selling for AUD $389. AMD has the value for money bang for buck segment with Intel being squeezed by the balls.

 

 

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[Pilotasso]

Intel keeps shifting their branding around the same 4,6 cores without performance improvements.

 

If you buy X370 and want an 8 core down the line... tough luck you cant. Need a whole new system. You cant even switch between a 7700K to a 8700K now without changing the MOBO.

On AMD's side theoretically you could buy a measly quad core today and buy an 8 core ZEN+ in 4 months (or a Zen 2 or a ZEN 3) for a fraction of the price for a single 8 core intel system (same is true for lower core counts). Lots more options, and upgrade path for cheaper price. AMD is the one actually offering the better future proofing here.

 

 

I am not a fan of either brand. My last AMD system was an Athlon 3200+ and when AMD sucked I went intel for over a decade in succession (Q4400 and a 2500K).

Edited October 6, 2017 by Pilotasso

[Konovalov]

Don't get me wrong I think the i7-8700k is a great gaming CPU which also offers significant improvements over the i7-7700k in terms of productivity and other things such as live streaming. However to have a product launch with barely any of the product available is really poor.

 

Further the price is also on the high side. Back in March 2017 the newly released Kaby Lake i7-7700k retailed in Australia for AUD $485. The new i7-8700k is AUD $80 more than what it replaced. For me that is at least AUD $30 too much.

 

The other problem is that the Z370 boards are really no different than the Z270 except for the design of the pin layout to accommodate the slightly different power requirements of Coffee Lake. It won't be till the Z390 in 2018 where there will be perhaps new technologies and features brought to the platform.

 

Still I guess it could be worse. I mean if you were someone who bought into the X299 platform paired with a Kaby Lake X CPU then you must feel like you have been totally had with this release from Intel. :doh:

[BitMaster]

The R5-1600X is the better CPU if money is part of the answer !

 

Heck, I almost get TWO 1600X for ONE 8700K !!!

 

...and if you go multicore, do it proper and get a TR with adequate lanes and ECC etc... things Xeon WS wish they had. Poor show from Intel so far.

[Konovalov]

Yeah but the i7-8700k isn't competing against the R5-1600x sku.

[BitMaster]

performance wise they are similar...6c/12t vs 6c/12t

 

in many tests they are on par and iirc sometimes the 1600x won.

 

There is no real rival for a 1700 or 1800 class AMD CPU from Intel if you ask me

[Cibit]

I am strongly leaning toward the i5 8600K but I won't go down that path until at least a revision 2 Z370 board with enough ports and slots for my requirements. How does DCS like the new Athlon chips?

[BitMaster]

I am strongly leaning toward the i5 8600K but I won't go down that path until at least a revision 2 Z370 board with enough ports and slots for my requirements. How does DCS like the new Athlon chips?

 

16 PCIe Lanes !

 

No extra cards, if..then they will route through PCH !

 

It works, sure, but it will share the same 4 lanes as any other "device" other than GPU.

 

SSD, NVMe, Sound, USB2/3, etc..tralalala

 

That is a BS platform anno 2017 !..aka..if you really need add-in cards, go TR or X299 but not Z270/370 or X370 Ryzen, they all suffer the "we support 1 GPU only, THAT'S IT" syndrom.

 

As soon as you want a full power add-on card you are s t u c k

Edited October 6, 2017 by BitMaster

[Konovalov]

16 PCIe Lanes !

 

 

 

No extra cards, if..then they will route through PCH !

 

 

 

It works, sure, but it will share the same 4 lanes as any other "device" other than GPU.

 

 

 

SSD, NVMe, Sound, USB2/3, etc..tralalala

 

 

 

That is a BS platform anno 2017 !..aka..if you really need add-in cards, go TR or X299 but not Z270/370 or X370 Ryzen, they all suffer the "we support 1 GPU only, THAT'S IT" syndrom.

 

 

 

As soon as you want a full power add-on card you are s t u c k

 

 

 

Bit, I do t think MSI were paying attention with their Godlike Z370 mobo. Three onboard m.2 PCI-e slots plus an add in card to for an extra 2 m.2 ssd's. With only the limit of 16 PCI-e lanes this makes no sense. And the cost of this board is Aud $700 plus. Just crazy.

 

 

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[BitMaster]

Like a Ferrari on 195/65-16" Wheels. Lots of potential power that you can never fully use

[BeastyBaiter]

I am strongly leaning toward the i5 8600K but I won't go down that path until at least a revision 2 Z370 board with enough ports and slots for my requirements. How does DCS like the new Athlon chips?

 

Athlon CPU's haven't been a thing in nearly 10 years...

 

As for Ryzen, they work well in DCS at 1440p but I have found the VR performance to fall a bit short. VR doubles the CPU load for the graphics engine and given DCS uses only a single CPU thread for it, that's a problem for every CPU ever made. But the 20℅ better clock speed of a max overclocked kaby or coffee lake CPU gives Intel an advantage in DCS and BoX in VR.

 

On the topic of Coffee lake specifically, this video basically matches my thoughts: