Bouddha Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 Hello folks ! A thing that inconveniences me in the 1.12a version is that the kills with fox1 are nearly become impossible. Some will say yes but now we arrive to the merge and it makes us use our fox2 which makes it fun & sport! Ok, but all the same, to fire 3 fox1 under 40km and splash nothing to finish the work with 27ET and r73 that makes the BVR a little usless. Therefore, my 27ER only serve to put my contact in defensive. I uploaded a small practice mission 1su27 (you) vs 2 mig23 where the goal is to splash with the fox1. YOUR TRACKS ARE WELCOME ! http://www.upitus.com/download.php?file=3ad7d604 In addition I added 2 tracks exemples with ACMI file showing how my 27ER misses their targets. http://www.upitus.com/download.php?file=0232ace2 http://www.upitus.com/download.php?file=d7d0f0fb rgds
vistrel Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 Keep in mind that with 27ER you always have to keep the target in lock. Also, when you fire from maximum distance, AI will perform evasive maneuvers and will likely escape it. Warning: The following might cause stupidity http://youtube.com/watch?v=25LceCPO1ys
D-Scythe Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 Fire your R-27ERs in pairs and BELOW your target. Look down is next to *useless* in LOMAC.
Pilotasso Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 ER's miss alot, so do all other radar missiles. But most ER misses are due to the target breaking your lock, wich is realistic. If you managed to keep the lock at all times you would spend much less missiles per target (it also has very good range specialy for chases), so consider your low probability of kill as normal, after all its an old missile. Best missile in this game is R-77, so better fly the mig. ;) .
Pilotasso Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 Fire your R-27ERs in pairs and BELOW your target. Look down is next to *useless* in LOMAC. Its not just looking down. Its trying to keep a lock while the enemy is notching when looking down. The best way to employ the ER is to make the target deffensive, without spending all the ER's for it, then kill him in a chase. If you managed the attack well, he will be low on chaff to keep evading all your missiles, plus you can use the ET to increase your odds on that chase, that what they are usefull for. But most people try firing them as soon as they get launch permition. At that range its very easy to loose it, hence the complaints. .
Bouddha Posted January 11, 2007 Author Posted January 11, 2007 Hi all ! thanks 4 your answers. If you look at the tracks and acmi I posted, you will see that I fox the ER's well in range and therefore it is not a speed/range issue as when the 27ER crosses the MIG23, it still have enough speed . It seems that it clearly loose track on the MIG23. But best of all, is if you test the mission yourself and maybe post a track for me and others. thx & rgds
nscode Posted January 11, 2007 Posted January 11, 2007 No need to set your fuel to 100%. You would rarely enter combat with so much. (if its far away, you would spend some on the way there.. if it's near you wouldn't put so much in in the first place) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Bouddha Posted January 11, 2007 Author Posted January 11, 2007 I agree. But let's say its a practice and that you face your foe in bad conditions. (you just refuelled)... regards
urze Posted January 11, 2007 Posted January 11, 2007 OFF TOPIC: 23.5.12.3.15.13.5.-2.1.3.11.-1.7.1.9.14-11.5.14.1.14. Leftside Limited - ideas and solutions
MiGMadness Posted January 11, 2007 Posted January 11, 2007 TOTALLY OT to this subject ...... but 2 R-27ERs launched under 30km range, head on, has a huge pk. If you fire it from too far, even 40km..you're not gonna hit anything. If you're flying against relativly newbie pilots. If we examine the alphabet then 11 = K 5 = E 14 = N 1 = A 14 = N Perhaps the use of an enigma machine next time. :P :doh:
Pilotasso Posted January 11, 2007 Posted January 11, 2007 2 R-27ERs launched under 30km range, head on, has a huge pk. If you fire it from too far, even 40km..you're not gonna hit anything. If you're flying against relativly newbie pilots. hmmmm In the alphabet 11=K 5=E 14=N 1=A 14=N hmmmm :D Atlantis=croatia? LOL :megalol: .
Pilotasso Posted January 11, 2007 Posted January 11, 2007 ahhh shucks MigMadness beat me to it. ROFLMAO .
TucksonSonny Posted January 13, 2007 Posted January 13, 2007 Hello folks ! A thing that inconveniences me in the 1.12a version is that the kills with fox1 are nearly become impossible. Some will say yes but now we arrive to the merge and it makes us use our fox2 which makes it fun & sport! Ok, but all the same, to fire 3 fox1 under 40km and splash nothing to finish the work with 27ET and r73 that makes the BVR a little usless. Therefore, my 27ER only serve to put my contact in defensive. I uploaded a small practice mission 1su27 (you) vs 2 mig23 where the goal is to splash with the fox1. YOUR TRACKS ARE WELCOME ! http://www.upitus.com/download.php?file=3ad7d604 In addition I added 2 tracks exemples with ACMI file showing how my 27ER misses their targets. http://www.upitus.com/download.php?file=0232ace2 http://www.upitus.com/download.php?file=d7d0f0fb rgds I watched your trackfiles and I have to say: your tactics looks too chaotic and with much risk too. Don’t expect a kill in 1on2 with an ER (you don’t have time) Still with risk but you can take these 2 mig-23’s easy (you have all the advantage with your Uber Su-27). My tips: keep it simple and use your advantage! PS. My track included: http://users.belgacom.net/gc363831/fc/er_tactic_on_2_mig23.zip DELL Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 940 2,93 GHz @3 GHz, 8 MB cache | 8.192 MB 1.067 MHz Tri Channel DDR3 | 512 MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 | 500 GB 7200 rpm Serial ATA | Samsung SM 2693 HM 25.5 " | HOTAS Cougar Thrustmaster |
Stealth_HR Posted January 13, 2007 Posted January 13, 2007 Atlantis=croatia? :megalol: I knew something wasn't right with my altimeter. :doh: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Real men fly ground attack :pilotfly: where EVERYTHING wants a piece of you :D
nscode Posted January 13, 2007 Posted January 13, 2007 I knew something wasn't right with my altimeter. :doh: :megalol: Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Frostie Posted January 13, 2007 Posted January 13, 2007 I watched both tracks to see if I would do anything different ,although your tactics seemed along the right lines you made IMO the same mistakes in both events , 1.You fired too late, against two foes you need to get one defensive immediately. 2.Firing 2 ER's so close to one another is foolish if one loses lock they both will. 3.After you launched you went in to a steep decent where it seems that you didnt register that you lost lock and your targeting system switched to EOS ,disregarding that you continued notching while maintaining an EOS lock which you know is useless for ER missiles resulting in an obvious miss by both ER's. Hope this helps.:smilewink: "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
Bouddha Posted January 13, 2007 Author Posted January 13, 2007 Thanks for your posts. These tracks are an example on how the 27ER's loose track on the target and are deluded by the MIG23 chaffs. Seems that 27ER are very sensible to the MIG23 much more than to other aircrafts. By the way, again, this is an exercice to splash with fox1. I have made other tracks where I splash with Fox2, but this was not the aim. regards :)
Bouddha Posted January 14, 2007 Author Posted January 14, 2007 I watched your trackfiles and I have to say: your tactics looks too chaotic and with much risk too. Don’t expect a kill in 1on2 with an ER (you don’t have time) Still with risk but you can take these 2 mig-23’s easy (you have all the advantage with your Uber Su-27). My tips: keep it simple and use your advantage! PS. My track included: http://users.belgacom.net/gc363831/fc/er_tactic_on_2_mig23.zip Thanks 4 your post. I looked your track, congratulations. IMHO nervertheless, I find it safer to do it this way : http://www.upitus.com/download.php?file=b1577048 regards
Frostie Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 LOL Ok nice one you managed to splash the first Mig-23 with R27ER ,which totally contradicts your previous statement ,I guess 1.12 doesn't inconvenience you anymore.;) Keep practicing and you might be able to splash both with ER.:D All Radar missiles are effected by chaff thats why its in the game, it just depends on actions of enemys defense whether you make a splash or not. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
Bouddha Posted January 15, 2007 Author Posted January 15, 2007 LOL Ok nice one you managed to splash the first Mig-23 with R27ER ,which totally contradicts your previous statement ,I guess 1.12 doesn't inconvenience you anymore.;) Keep practicing and you might be able to splash both with ER.:D All Radar missiles are effected by chaff thats why its in the game, it just depends on actions of enemys defense whether you make a splash or not. Hi :) the problem is not to splash 2xMIG23, but to splash MIG23 with 27ER's. It seems that the window to fox the ER against a MIG23 is very small and I dont know for which reason if I fire 2 27ER's in the same conditions instead of 1, they both miss the target ! :doh: best regards
GGTharos Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 The real R-27 performed about as well in real life so far as you're seeing in game ;) In addition, all SARH missiles in the game act the same. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
nscode Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 It's been told already: if you fire 6 missiles one after other, if first misses, chances are all of them will. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
TucksonSonny Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 The real R-27 performed about as well in real life so far as you're seeing in game ;) In addition, all SARH missiles in the game act the same. Bouddha has a serious point: There is something strange going on with these Mig-23’s It is very easy to down an F-15C with your ER but nothing as hard as a Mig-23! DELL Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 940 2,93 GHz @3 GHz, 8 MB cache | 8.192 MB 1.067 MHz Tri Channel DDR3 | 512 MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 | 500 GB 7200 rpm Serial ATA | Samsung SM 2693 HM 25.5 " | HOTAS Cougar Thrustmaster |
GGTharos Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 I've seen weird things like this too. MiG-23's are highly resistant to my AMRAAMs also. Might be a quirk with their RCS value. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
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