nscode Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 Stop it ppl... no one is gonna invade nobody (ok.. no one other than US). It's just that they can't go on having an airforce based on a bad mig-21 copy. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Meyvn Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 haha, another thread... anyway, did TW already get F16C? I know they got A/B, but F16C should be still in negotiation. BTW, TW bought the AIM120, but they are not allowed to take them home, so these precious missiles were stored in US base as I know to give US another leverage in case of conflicts. TW is too close to the mainland. Not mentioned there are already hundreds SS missiles aiming at all important targets, TW is also in range of some long range rocket launchers. Does TW has the ability to take out these missiles and RL in mainland? I don't think so. Too small and too close, without outside support, they are screwed. But I totally agree with Starlight, war is hell. Right now nobody on both sides want a war. Let's keep playing LOMAC:joystick:
Force_Feedback Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 Stop it ppl... no one is gonna invade nobody (ok.. no one other than US). It's just that they can't go on having an airforce based on a bad mig-21 copy. I too hate this 'hear hear, let's start this crusade, let's fight these, let's fight those' attitude that shows up once in a while. So, what are the engine ratings? Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
TucksonSonny Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 I too hate this 'hear hear, let's start this crusade, let's fight these, let's fight those' attitude that shows up once in a while. So, what are the engine ratings? Of course the F-22 and J-11B were exclusively developed for showing of at air shows. How dare you to pretend that it could be for an invasion :D . Chinese industry executives attending the show remain reticent to discuss the J-11B program. The executive would say only that the Tai Hang has "similar applications to the Al-31 [the present Su-27 engine]. It's of a similar thrust and is of the same technology generation." The J-11B program also includes the integration of Chinese-developed planar array pulse-Doppler radar replacing the Russian N-001 cassegrain radar, at least two versions of which are fielded by the PLAAF. An image of a J-11B, still in its primer (see top photo on p. 27), appears to show the aircraft fitted with a different radome to the basic Su-27. Given the available space for a flat-plate antenna, this would offer a performance improvement over the N-0001. Also associated with the J-11B is the Luoyang PL-12 active radar-guided medium-range air-to-air missile. While the Chinese air force already has the Russian R-77 (AA-12 Adder) in service with the Su-27, the PL-12 offers a big performance increase over the present export standard of the Vympel R-77. Officials from the company were unable to discuss the PL-12 project. The initial development test-firing program for the overall PL-12 program now appears complete, with the missile at least close to service entry. It was integrated first on the J-8II for the development program. Trials of the PL-12 on the Chengdu J-10 also have been carried out. DELL Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 940 2,93 GHz @3 GHz, 8 MB cache | 8.192 MB 1.067 MHz Tri Channel DDR3 | 512 MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 | 500 GB 7200 rpm Serial ATA | Samsung SM 2693 HM 25.5 " | HOTAS Cougar Thrustmaster |
Starlight Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 I too hate this 'hear hear, let's start this crusade, let's fight these, let's fight those' attitude that shows up once in a while. I didn't fuel any crusade... just said that today Chinese forces are well equipped and are definitely a significant presence in that area. To some people who said that Taiwanese hardware (flying hardware, not motherboards hehe ;) ) is enough to withstand any attack and that invasions are technically not possible I just said that an invasion IMHO is technically quite possible. Everyone here hopes that nothing happens in the world. Let's just play with pixels @ home.
D-Scythe Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 I didn't fuel any crusade... just said that today Chinese forces are well equipped and are definitely a significant presence in that area. To some people who said that Taiwanese hardware (flying hardware, not motherboards hehe ;) ) is enough to withstand any attack and that invasions are technically not possible I just said that an invasion IMHO is technically quite possible. Everyone here hopes that nothing happens in the world. Let's just play with pixels @ home. Um, what? How does "China cannot invade Taiwan in an afternoon" translate to "Taiwan hardware is enough to withstand any attack and that invasions are technically not possible..."? Read other people's posts more carefully. And if you don't, at least have the decency not to put words in other people's mouths.
Pilotasso Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 why did we divert from the aircraft again?! .
D-Scythe Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 why did we divert from the aircraft again?! Well, the J-11B itself is quite boring - there's really nothing "new" about it (some firsts for the Chinese aircraft industry, but that's it). I'd be more interested in its missile armament, but that again is also diverting from the J-11B topic. What do you wanna talk about it?
Starlight Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 Um, what? How does "China cannot invade Taiwan in an afternoon" translate to "Taiwan hardware is enough to withstand any attack and that invasions are technically not possible..."? Read other people's posts more carefully. And if you don't, at least have the decency not to put words in other people's mouths. I don't wanna start a flame, anyway... calm down man, I read what others wrote... - some were saying that F-16+Mirage+indigenous aircraft with amramm mica and so on could kill any Chinese fighters... I said no, because IMHO many Chinese fighters, including the new Flanker version and the J-10, could be a match for western-hardware-equipped forces. it depends also much on training. And personally I don't like when evaluations of air forces or complex weapons systems are given just reading parameters on official company leaflets - some others said that a landing would a transoceanic operation so it would be incredibly difficult because of the ocean and of the distance and the stand-off weapons used by taiwan... I said no again, IMHO, because the distance is not very long, allied forces managed to cross such distances in 1944 with much inferior hardware. and there could be a lot of things that could keep stand-off launchers unusable for a while. That thing of the "afternoon" was just to emphasize that without foreign support Taiwan stands little chances of survival in case of danger, imho. Having said that, I don't think any invasion is actually scheduled, maybe it's just planned, because military staffs make plans for many different scenarios.... plans were laid for NK in the mid 90s, plans are being laid for Iran. That doesn't mean that they will be applied, and I think everybody also HOPES that they'd never be needed...
Pilotasso Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 The taiwanese pilots would have to mis-use their aircraft alot for the chinese be equivalent to them with their planes. As I said chinese have bigger planes and a bigger fleet but they still suffer from trying to keep up with radar, engine and missile technology. It will have an impact when you want to keep enemies locked and on missiles PK. I confess I have no idea how good taiwanese pilots are, but I always had the impression chinese werent anything special, and that their doctrines have yet to adapt to their new planes. .
D-Scythe Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 I don't wanna start a flame, anyway... calm down man, I read what others wrote... No, you didn't, and yes, I'm perfectly calm. *Everything* you stated you disagreed with is what *I* wrote. Stand-off weapons, active radar missiles, etc. And by stating that you're ONLY disagreeing with the idea that "Taiwan hardware is enough to withstand any attack and that invasions are technically not possible," you're IMPLYING that *I* have that belief, which I clearly *don't*. Don't say you weren't putting words in my mouth; your " F-16+Mirage+indigenous aircraft with amramm mica" and "a landing would a transoceanic operation so it would be incredibly difficult because of the ocean and of the distance and the stand-off weapons used by taiwan" are ALL *my* arguments. - some were saying that F-16+Mirage+indigenous aircraft with amramm mica and so on could kill any Chinese fighters... I said no, because IMHO many Chinese fighters, including the new Flanker version and the J-10, could be a match for western-hardware-equipped forces. Obviously a well equipped eastern air force can match a well equipped western air force. But the key word is match - how can you expect a successful ground invasion when you're air/sea forces simply *match* the enemy's? You're gonna lose thousands of soldiers in your landing boats before they can even fire a shot. it depends also much on training. And personally I don't like when evaluations of air forces or complex weapons systems are given just reading parameters on official company leaflets Exactly - so why are *you* doing it? Your "evaluation" that the Chinese military can easily over-run Taiwan is absolutely contradictory to what you just posted. - some others said that a landing would a transoceanic operation so it would be incredibly difficult because of the ocean and of the distance and the stand-off weapons used by taiwan... I said no again, IMHO, because the distance is not very long, allied forces managed to cross such distances in 1944 with much inferior hardware. and there could be a lot of things that could keep stand-off launchers unusable for a while. Too bad in 1944 the Allies had naval AND air supremacy. And it took them some FIVE years to achieve that. FIVE. YEARS. Not an afternoon. That thing of the "afternoon" was just to emphasize that without foreign support Taiwan stands little chances of survival in case of danger, imho. Hmm, I thought you don't like "evaluations of air forces or complex weapons systems are given just reading parameters on official company leaflets"? Guess not huh?
Starlight Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 sorry man, I didn't want to get on your nerves so much with my posts, so I'll quit it here, we've got different views of the thing, and right now I'm going to bed a sleep well anyway... furthermore we're drifting far OT so I won't like to get another warning for thread hijacking. I'm no terrorist at all! PS: you should read my posts too, because some parts clearly clash with I say in my posts... cheers, Mat
Starlight Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 http://www.clashofarms.com/seaofdragons.html That should solve our problems.... we could have a simulation of such a conflict and see what comes out :D Small problem, is set in 1997 ;)
Force_Feedback Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 Nooo, Harpoon 4, nooooo, you've opened an old wound, that hurts. Just imagine what would happen to the lomac-esque community if it came out. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Starlight Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 Nooo, Harpoon 4, nooooo, you've opened an old wound, that hurts. Just imagine what would happen to the lomac-esque community if it came out. well at least it's the board game version, not the software.... :) no activations, much easier mods... :D ah, the good'ol times.... :D
nscode Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 Who moved the EOS to the wing? :D Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Force_Feedback Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 What has the vehicle parachute system to do with the su-27Chinmod? And why are the geniouses replacing the ejection seat, do they want to make it lighter? Oh well, their pilots are small, maybe the original mod 2 K-36 doesn't offer enough length adjustment. And, what about the epu on the vanilla su-27? Does it have one, I have this sk manual, but I'm lazy as balls It has a modern cockpit, whine ,ed model this, mkdel that, I wanna hav real su-27Chinmod with AFM, AFM for the canopy, AFM for the pilot's wee bag when ejecting, etc. :P Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
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