topol-m Posted March 10, 2010 Posted March 10, 2010 Nice pics. BTW how many Migs are still in service with the Polish AF and for how long is it planed to keep them? I love the UB version of the Mig-29, such nice lines - gorgeous aircraft :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
sniffer Posted March 10, 2010 Posted March 10, 2010 BTW how many Migs are still in service with the Polish AF and for how long is it planed to keep them? Answered - about how long - 2020. There are talks about some modernization - my opinion it wouldn't be big deal. Maybe some changes to radar will be applied but not sure how it would finish... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
John Cool Posted March 10, 2010 Posted March 10, 2010 Yes, there's already an almost complete prototype of the modernized N019 radar to be tested on one of the MiG-29's made by joint effort of Polish WZL-2 "Bydgoszcz" facility and Ukrainian SSFTF "Progress" joint stock company. The certain modifications applied to the radar, except slightly improved detection & search range and probably new low noise receiver UM522 type made by Phazotron Kiev unfortunately remains unknown. МАССАНДРА: "Микоян Артём Славный Сын Армянского Народа Дарит Радость Авиаторам".
Pilotasso Posted March 10, 2010 Posted March 10, 2010 What about multi target attack capability? Anything? .
sniffer Posted March 11, 2010 Posted March 11, 2010 Not mentioned so probably no chance to such feature. It should be more compatibility with F-16 and adjusting all systems to some standards etc. than extending functionality of device... The best proposed variant says about using APG-68 radar on MiG-29 :shocking: or deep modernization of N019, instead SPO-15 they want AN/ALR-94 :fear: or using U.S. weapons (AIM-9X, AIM-120C-5 or Mavericks) :doh:. But all about this variant should be placed in Funny stuff thread IMHO... All other variants (standard and extended) are quite real but don't know when they wants to implement... Forget to mention if they implement some program it should extend time of life out MiGs. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mvsgas Posted March 18, 2010 Posted March 18, 2010 This is a very loud video, keep your volume low I think this are Polish F-16, right? To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
VMFA117_Poko Posted March 18, 2010 Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) Yupp. Malbork (northen Poland) was a capitol of Teutonic Order in medival. There is the biggest gothic castle in Europe. Right now this is the closest polish airbase to russian border AFAIK. 41.ELT flies on post German MiG-29s. F-16s are from Poznan (Krzesiny Airbase). Edited March 18, 2010 by Poko24
sniffer Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 Our Air Forces deploy YouTube channel with some interesting vids. One quite fresh from lately NATO excersises (17.III) around Baltic countries: EDVLBHq1mDE [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Pilotasso Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 This is a very loud video, keep your volume low I think this are Polish F-16, right? wow, great video, must be great to have that kind of DACT... But the fulcrum spent too much time on the falcons 6 for my likings :D .
mvsgas Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 Well, Mig-29 is an amazing aircraft. It is a very capable airframe. Also, I'm sure the pilots flying them have a lot of hours put into that type. The F-16 pilots can't be that experience. How long has the Polish Air Force used the F-16? A year, 2? I have talk to many new pilots (300 to 600 hour range) and they have told me about the amount of extra control over the aircraft that pilots with over a 1000 hours can have. One Lieutenant was telling me how is previous BFM fight against his Commander. How the Commander would put the Gun marker on the left wing, pulled the trigger. Move the marker to the right wing, pull the trigger. From the story, the Commander kept doing this until the entire aircraft had been shoot during the training "dog fight". Sorry, I'm long winded. At any rate, experience counts for a lot Not to mention the F-16 was flying with conformal tanks ( + any other ordnance we do not see) and the use a PW engine, I'm not a fan, I hate those engines. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
sniffer Posted April 13, 2010 Posted April 13, 2010 After few photos of Squadron Exchange - time to videos: Have fun :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mikoyan Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 (edited) I noticed that when the mig pilot pulls the stick there is a laud "clack" noise what is that? you can also see it looks like the stick transfers that motion to the pilot arm... Is that the AOA limiter? please look at 2:14-16 on last video. Edited April 16, 2010 by mikoyan
mvsgas Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 I noticed that when the mig pilot pulls the stick there is a laud "clack" noise what is that? you can also see it looks like the stick transfers that motion to the pilot arm... Is that the AOA limiter? please look at 2:14-16 on last video. Not Sure but interesting. If you listen at 1:17 you can hear the "Clack" sound going very fast, could it be an instrument, maybe the range tab on the HSI or another instrument? To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Fahhh Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 Great vids indeed! You can see how much 'deeper' in the cockpit the fulcrum pilot is positioned as opposed to the falcon. Also the helmet mounted tracking system on the MiG....
mikoyan Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 Not Sure but interesting. If you listen at 1:17 you can hear the "Clack" sound going very fast, could it be an instrument, maybe the range tab on the HSI or another instrument? yeah but it looks like the stick has some kind of force feedback because his arm vibrates at the same time the sound is heard
mvsgas Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 yeah but it looks like the stick has some kind of force feedback because his arm vibrates at the same time the sound is heard I think the Mig-29 has physical connections to the flight controls (push pull rods) as oppose to the F-16 which does not have any whatsoever. Could that cause thew vibe? Is that version of the Mig-29 FBW or is the control stick directly connected to the surfaces? Maybe is more like an F-15? I do wonder how come the limited the F-16 capabilities in that flight. Its carrying CFT and the pilot does not have JHMCS and it look like the aircraft is physically able to use it, You can see the JHMCS sensor on the left side of the cockpit. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Vekkinho Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 Polish AF Fulcrums have same flight controls as they had in 1988. So no FBW of any kind there. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mikoyan Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 play close atention to the video, each time he pulls there is "clap" noise and his hand gest a big shake. Does anyone know if that is the AOA limiter?
Vekkinho Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 Not Sure but interesting. If you listen at 1:17 you can hear the "Clack" sound going very fast, could it be an instrument, maybe the range tab on the HSI or another instrument? Looks like Fulcrum Pilot has TM Cougar up there! :smilewink: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mikoyan Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 Looks like Fulcrum Pilot has TM Cougar up there! :smilewink: how much is that stick?
Vekkinho Posted April 16, 2010 Posted April 16, 2010 You mean price? Used, unmodded can be found from 200$ to 300$ (200€ if shopping in Europe) New is something like 300€, mods are another 300€ so in general 600€. Now on the clap...perhaps pilot reaches gimbals when he deflects the stick...or camera ain't fixated properly. Shaking of his hands and everything else is cause of hi Alpha, close to stalling! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Lulac Posted April 17, 2010 Posted April 17, 2010 Great stuff ! ! ! I thought that our eastern heads :) could never understand western technology and their imperial systems of measurements . . . But polish pilots show us that it's possible :thumbup: . . . [sIGPIC]D:\avioni\razno\potpis 1 orao.jpg[/sIGPIC]
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