Buying new motherboard any recomendations?

[Boris]

I find the performance with my 4770k to be in the acceptable range most of the time, but I do need to turn down the settings quite a bit in order to get smooth performance. For instance I would choose to keep 4x MSSA off.

But as you say, performance can also be somewhat subjective.

 

I've also been toying with the idea of a CPU upgrade, but as you know it's an expensive affair as I also need a new motherboard and RAM. Unlike you before your upgrade, I already have a 1080ti, so I'm not sure if 850€ of hardware is going to give me a performance boost that justifies the costs.

 

That's why I'd be interested to know how significant the difference is between a 4770k with a 1080ti and an 8700k with a 1080ti.

Of course there are plenty of benchmarks around from other games that show some advantage, but these are not very significant at higher resolutions due to what is probably a GPU bottleneck.

 

However, DCS is notoriously CPU intensive, and I'm thinking that much of the performance shortcomings I'm having could be CPU related.

[Wolf8312]

I find the performance with my 4770k to be in the acceptable range most of the time, but I do need to turn down the settings quite a bit in order to get smooth performance. For instance I would choose to keep 4x MSSA off.

But as you say, performance can also be somewhat subjective.

 

I've also been toying with the idea of a CPU upgrade, but as you know it's an expensive affair as I also need a new motherboard and RAM. Unlike you before your upgrade, I already have a 1080ti, so I'm not sure if 850€ of hardware is going to give me a performance boost that justifies the costs.

 

That's why I'd be interested to know how significant the difference is between a 4770k with a 1080ti and an 8700k with a 1080ti.

Of course there are plenty of benchmarks around from other games that show some advantage, but these are not very significant at higher resolutions due to what is probably a GPU bottleneck.

 

However, DCS is notoriously CPU intensive, and I'm thinking that much of the performance shortcomings I'm having could be CPU related.

 

Well as the OP can demonstrate my intention never was to get a new graphics card, I strongly suspected the GTX 980Ti was of less of a factor than the CPU I was using and to be honest its a shame I couldnt have controlled myself better and tried the new CPU with the old graphics card. But you know how it is!

 

Many people told me to just get a 1080Ti and that CPU didn't make any difference but I really do feel that the awful steam background flashes that I was getting in VR/DCS and other games were nothing to do with my graphics card, but my CPU. Alot of people told me those flashes were CPU related.

 

Again though were talking stock speeds. I think the I7-4770 was for me kinda like the equivalent of the GTX 970 for VR, entry level, but frustrating as it was so tantalizingly close but not quite there.

 

The reason I upgraded was really because I was flying VR but in my heart I just didn't feel happy with it, the little niggling frustrations were like mental splinters and just spoiled things for me.

 

I think you will know in your heart if this is the case with your own performance but again it kinda depends what you plan to do with DCS. I really hope I can play the main SP game now without any problems as that used to be unplayable with my old system!

[Wolf8312]

Well deferred shading is still a no go with MSSA! Its a shame but cant say I'm surprised!

[dburne]

Well deferred shading is still a no go with MSSA! Its a shame but cant say I'm surprised!

 

It will be interesting to see if there is any improvement to that in 2.5.

[Wolf8312]

It will be interesting to see if there is any improvement to that in 2.5.

 

I really hope so! Or at least that they improve the color saturation in the non DS game, as it looks so washed out these days I do most of my flying at night now! Sad that we don’t seem to be able to alter the digital vibrace in the control panel either anymore with a HDMI cable and this will now only affect DCS with deferred shading.

 

Any news on how much longer for 2.5? Should be a matter of days now no?

[dburne]

I really hope so! Or at least that they improve the color saturation in the non DS game, as it looks so washed out these days I do most of my flying at night now! Sad that we don’t seem to be able to alter the digital vibrace in the control panel either anymore with a HDMI cable and this will now only affect DCS with deferred shading.

 

Any news on how much longer for 2.5? Should be a matter of days now no?

 

Wags promised for by the end of Jan.

[hansangb]

Well turned out I needed a DP cable for my new 1080ti. System was running like a dog (lame dog) too, and I needed a whole new reinstall of windows 10!

 

Should have known I couldn't get away with keeping my old HD drive intact. Everything's running well now, though haven't tried DCS yet, just getting it all set up (controls, terrains, modules, CD keys etc). Tried BOS yesterday 4x MSSA, seems very smooth!

 

Love DCS but I wish I'd just been patient and kept with the steam version, for quicker downloads. To be fair they have improved alot but it still took many many hours!

 

Also every time there's an update the controls get all messed up, with buttons being automatically mapped to a thousand different peripherals which I then have to manually delete! Really hope the devs can look into a more user friendly control scheme!

So happy I went with an after market fan too, I've never in my life had a computer that actually feels like a fridge to touch! Is bound to help performance I think!

 

I guess the recommendation would be to wait a few years（warranty) before attempting a CPU overclock as at present it shouldn't really be necessary with an i7-8700k right?

 

Amen to that. I also wan't a universal pitch/cyclic/rudder etc commands so I can set them all at once, for every plane and helicopter.

 

Also, this is why I backup the input folders (and Saved Games) folder so I can quickly reset my controls back to what they were.

[Wolf8312]

Amen to that. I also wan't a universal pitch/cyclic/rudder etc commands so I can set them all at once, for every plane and helicopter.

 

Also, this is why I backup the input folders (and Saved Games) folder so I can quickly reset my controls back to what they were.

 

Aha! Right that's what I was looking for! Have saved both to a separate file. Will copy over the new ones should an update occur and hopefully...

 

Thank you good sir!:thumbup:

[Wolf8312]

I find the performance with my 4770k to be in the acceptable range most of the time, but I do need to turn down the settings quite a bit in order to get smooth performance. For instance I would choose to keep 4x MSSA off.

But as you say, performance can also be somewhat subjective.

 

I've also been toying with the idea of a CPU upgrade, but as you know it's an expensive affair as I also need a new motherboard and RAM. Unlike you before your upgrade, I already have a 1080ti, so I'm not sure if 850€ of hardware is going to give me a performance boost that justifies the costs.

 

That's why I'd be interested to know how significant the difference is between a 4770k with a 1080ti and an 8700k with a 1080ti.

Of course there are plenty of benchmarks around from other games that show some advantage, but these are not very significant at higher resolutions due to what is probably a GPU bottleneck.

 

However, DCS is notoriously CPU intensive, and I'm thinking that much of the performance shortcomings I'm having could be CPU related.

 

Can I ask you a question... When you are on the mission editor map screen and you use the mouse wheel to zoom in and out are you getting a lot of flashes?

[Wolf8312]

Well not sure if this is what you wanted Boris but I bought 3Dmark, and tested my system and the basic results/score are attached.

 

I think if you run the same test (I used the 4k test which 3D mark selected automatically for me) and check your own scores it should give you a pretty good idea of what's what. How that all translates to a game like DCS though I'm not sure, as apparently DCS cant make full use of our systems anyway...

[Cibit]

Wolf please do me a favour and run the orange room benchmark and post your results please.

I would like to compare the results of the better chip and GPU compared to mine

https://www.3dmark.com/vrpor/196256

11 744 is result @4.7Ghz

[Wolf8312]

Wolf please do me a favour and run the orange room benchmark and post your results please.

I would like to compare the results of the better chip and GPU compared to mine

https://www.3dmark.com/vrpor/196256

11 744 is result @4.7Ghz

 

 

OK, I will get on it tomorrow! A bit late here at the moment!

[Wolf8312]

I don't seem to have the orange or blue room though am pretty new to all this so perhaps am missing something. I bought mine off steam is it possible we are using different versions with different benchmarks? The one I ran is called time spy extreme. You could run that one, if you have it, and compare the score to the one above.

[Cibit]

I don't seem to have the orange or blue room though am pretty new to all this so perhaps am missing something. I bought mine off steam is it possible we are using different versions with different benchmarks? The one I ran is called time spy extreme. You could run that one, if you have it, and compare the score to the one above.

 

I just got the free version. It may be that you get a more comprehensive suite when you buy the software. Thanks anyway I was interested as I got into the top 96% with my rig and yours should be so much faster :)

[Wolf8312]

Are they not different tests though? Are all tests equal? For example this guy (https://www.3dmark.com/fs/12515014) got a waaaay higher score than mine 'better than 98 percent' and I was thinking how it that even possible but then I realized his test was a different one to the one I used. Anyway I don't know, this is why I don't like using FPS counters and benchmarks as now I start worrying that my GPU is a loser lol! All I know is in DCS it runs great, and I can now actually play the game!

 

Even on the test I took though there were people with 4x SLI's OC'D and ridiculous scores of about 40,000!

 

Have been able to get my test score to 9320, but I don't know what that really means, though I haven't overclocked anything yet!

Edited January 25, 2018 by Wolf8312

[Demon_]

I think 650 would just cut it. I would definitely go for 800 or higher. it's the one thing in your install that you can use of 5+ years. So go bigger if you can.

 

Turns out I already had an 850 watt PSU anyway, after insisting that I have an 850 watt the salesman must have known he had a right mark when I walked in. I don't know what made me think it was 650 but not a good way to begin negotiations! I'm really poor at haggling as well, I don't have the perseverance and am too obviously a case of JUST TAKE MY MONEY, and let me go home and play!

 

Thanks for the advice everybody I will let you all know how it goes!

 

 

Just a little note. Maximum power has nothing to do with longevity/quality and future proof. Look at the warranty.

 

 

The 8600K is the best choice ($$) to play DCS. ED engine doesn't use the hyper-threading technology.

[Wolf8312]

Well I didn't buy the new rig solely for DCS to be honest! But maybe you're right!

Edited January 25, 2018 by Wolf8312

[Cibit]

Wolf you have a rig to be envious of. I agree with you about FPS and benchmarking, they can vary widely. I personally only use them for making sure a new system is running as it should and that the temps are where they should be.

Probably a better benchmark for you is the browser based one from http://www.userbenchmark.com/ run that and it will give a good indication of how each major component is running compared to the baseline.

These Coffee lake chips are very overclockable. I am running 5.2 without issues. Any advice just ask. There are 3 of us with Coffeelakes that hang around the hardware thread that will be only happy to help in any way :thumbup:

[Wolf8312]

Thanks man! Are the coffee lakes as overclocakble with only tower CPU coolers and not water? To be honest I'm just running a simple XMP at the moment. I tried an auto overclock in the bios which improved things by 30 percent but then crashed the system, so I have either lost the silicon lottery, have a poor cooler (PC seems positively cold!), or I don't know what the hell I am doing (most likely).

 

I didn't even realise it was an overclock at first, I just simply selected gaming mode and then selected tower CPU. Is it perhaps a voltage problem?

 

One thing though I think that 3Dmark is good for is stress testing, you can still fail the stress test with an unstable system score without your computer actually crashing or showing any signs of trouble. The benchmark will show that its got a great score but it will still be an unstable system.

 

Not sure if it really matters that much, but its interesting to know that there's a grey line where your computer might not be crashing due to an overclock exactly, but that doesn't mean its not throttling or slowing down under stress either!

 

Tried 1.8 last night and the missions are now immensely playable! At first I thought it was running a bit weird but then realized I had both steam and in game SS on. So I removed the steam SS and it was just perfect on a very heavy mission.

 

I'm going to forget about all these benchmarks and overclocking now, and just be happy with what I've got until the performance in game actually tells me I actually need some improvement!

Edited January 25, 2018 by Wolf8312

[Cibit]

Ok thats a good plan. One thing though, most motherboards ship with a software overclocking app. For Asus it is AI suite. There you can let the pc overclock itself and it will keep the best stable clock it can run with. The board I first installed had to be returned due to faulty dimms but I could get the software to run 5.2Ghz. The replacement board will only get to 4.7 stable using the software. But it is 1 click tuning and you don't have to do anything :)

[Wolf8312]

Is that the 5 way optimization button to start total system optimization?

[Cibit]

Yes mate :) It reboots first off then runs your system up till it wont go any higher. Good luck let us know how high you reach :)

[Wolf8312]

should I ignore all the different settings such as the stress test distribution sliders, enable overheat tolerance etc. Cause I don't really understand them!

[Wolf8312]

Well I’m not sure what to make of the test results (not even sure they are the test results haha) could you maybe have a look and tell me what to make of them?

[Cibit]

So your best is 5.0Ghz on 3 cores and 4.9 on 3 cores.

Just be careful of your temps. I would not like to hit 79C too often. Nice enough overclock. If you desired you could get higher playing in the BIOS. Bitmaster will be invaluable if you do :)

Edited January 25, 2018 by Cibit