Nooch Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) I've noticed that pixel scaling for aircrafts and ground units in VR is gone in 2.5 Open Beta and it's a real shame. It makes things nearly impossible to spot in the Rift. I flew with a friend last night and I couldn't maintain a wide formation with him. He wasn't even a mile out that I started losing sight of him, every time. Rejoins took several minutes and were a nightmare. Pretty much ruined the flight for me. I don't know why scaling got suddenly removed. Its implementation in 1.5/2.2 was pretty much perfect. It was highly effective yet very smooth and natural looking at the same time. I now have deferred shading enabled, unlike in 1.5/2.2 where I kept it off but I doubt it has anything to do with this... Anyway I hope ED will bring back the good old scaling in 2.5 release version ! Edit: Looks like there's no scaling involved and it's the deferred shading that's causing the trouble. Edited February 7, 2018 by Nooch [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
jimiC Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 Finally someone notices this problem. I don't have this problem HTC vive 1.7pd High settings
Gladman Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 Actually a 1.7 PD would make the other aircraft smaller than 1.0 so its probable your eye site is much better than the OP. For a lot of us it is an issue and it would be a very much appreciated option added back into DCS. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord
Nooch Posted February 6, 2018 Author Posted February 6, 2018 Actually a 1.7 PD would make the other aircraft smaller than 1.0 so its probable your eye site is much better than the OP. I have 12/10 eyesight so if he has a better eyesight than me he's probably in the top 1% :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
boedha68 Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 Are you using VR ZOOM? I've no troubles on the rift. Newest system: AMD 9800X3d, Kingsting 128 GBDDR5, MSI RTX 5090(ready for buying), Corsair 150 Pro, 3xSamsung 970 Pro, Logitech X-56 HOTAS, Pimax Crystal Light (Super is purchased) ASUS 1200 Watt. New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly:
Nooch Posted February 6, 2018 Author Posted February 6, 2018 Are you using VR ZOOM? I've no troubles on the rift. I am but the problem is that I need to know where to look in order to use the zoom effectively. It doesn't help much when I have no clue where my wingman is. It's not such a big deal when flying the A-10C because I can use the TAD but on other airframes having no scaling is quite problematic. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
boedha68 Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 Communnication Calling bearing, attitude, airspeed. you can use F10 with numbers on the different sectors where to fly. When i will look for another one from my team i ask for these info and go hunt to find them. :D When i find them and joined up. It's satisfying for me and the teammembers. don't know if you have something on this info but it's worth to look at it and maybe train it. Newest system: AMD 9800X3d, Kingsting 128 GBDDR5, MSI RTX 5090(ready for buying), Corsair 150 Pro, 3xSamsung 970 Pro, Logitech X-56 HOTAS, Pimax Crystal Light (Super is purchased) ASUS 1200 Watt. New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly:
Nooch Posted February 6, 2018 Author Posted February 6, 2018 We do, we use SRS and communicate quite extensively. Problem is that now I find myself passing by my wingman something like 2000 ft away without even seeing him :noexpression: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
boedha68 Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 We do, we use SRS and communicate quite extensively. Problem is that now I find myself passing by my wingman something like 2000 ft away without even seeing him :noexpression: I know spotting in VR is on the list of Eagle Dyamics. Hope it's getting better in the future Newest system: AMD 9800X3d, Kingsting 128 GBDDR5, MSI RTX 5090(ready for buying), Corsair 150 Pro, 3xSamsung 970 Pro, Logitech X-56 HOTAS, Pimax Crystal Light (Super is purchased) ASUS 1200 Watt. New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly:
Nooch Posted February 6, 2018 Author Posted February 6, 2018 I know spotting in VR is on the list of Eagle Dyamics. Hope it's getting better in the future The thing I don't understand is it was already perfect in 1.5.8/2.2. I don't understand why they removed it suddenly... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
uri_ba Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 I experience the oppisit exactly. with 1.5/2.2 getting a tally on anything was almost impossible. and now with 2.5 it's much more reliable and manageable. PD very much affects the tally distance, and with PD above 1.5 you see significant drop in distance. but it's nothing like what it was in 1.5.8 Creator of Hound ELINT script My pit building blog Few DIY projects on Github: DIY Cougar throttle Standalone USB controller | DIY FCC3 Standalone USB Controller
Nooch Posted February 6, 2018 Author Posted February 6, 2018 I have always been using a PD of 1.0 so I guess it might explain why our experiences differ. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Enduro14 Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 Tgt spotting in 2.5 is the best it’s ever been for me. Not sure why others are having problems. Think maybe you need to adjust your world scale to more lifelike size settings Intel 8700k @5ghz, 32gb ram, 1080ti, Rift S
pagadi-zaiet Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 I've noticed that pixel scaling for aircrafts and ground units in VR is gone in 2.5 Open Beta and it's a real shame. It makes things nearly impossible to spot in the Rift. I flew with a friend last night and I couldn't maintain a wide formation with him. He wasn't even a mile out that I started losing sight of him, every time. Rejoins took several minutes and were a nightmare. Pretty much ruined the flight for me. I don't know why scaling got suddenly removed. Its implementation in 1.5/2.2 was pretty much perfect. It was highly effective yet very smooth and natural looking at the same time. I now have deferred shading enabled, unlike in 1.5/2.2 where I kept it off but I doubt it has anything to do with this... Anyway I hope ED will bring back the good old scaling in 2.5 release version ! ...do not use Deferred Shading...you will get your clarity back!
jimiC Posted February 7, 2018 Posted February 7, 2018 im not really sure what the scaling did? i dont notice any difference between 1.5.8 and 2.5 in terms of size of a target at distance... theyre dots Have you reduced your vis range?I've left mine on high. as long as theres a dot...like maybe 2-3 pixels i can see it clearly and know what it is (a bogey or missile) ID'ing something aint gonna happen but i can orient and figure out what im seeing based on RWR and friendly reports etc.
Nooch Posted February 7, 2018 Author Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) ...do not use Deferred Shading...you will get your clarity back! I did a test today with deferred shading on and off and it looks like you are right! When aircrafts in the distance look like dots with it off, I see nothing with it on. After trying the mirage missile fight quickstart mission on caucasus multiple times, the results were quite clear. With deferred shading on I got shot down pretty much every time and with it off I was able to kill all 4 opponents and succeed the mission consistently. Contrary to what I thought there might not have been a scaling in place that got removed but instead it's the deferred shading that is making things hard to spot. Edited February 7, 2018 by Nooch [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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