Russian tanks way to powerful

[Don Rudi]

Hi,

 

for a new mission I am trying to create a tank battle, which is basically impossible as the Russian made tanks are kind of invinceable.

 

For instance:

 

- 6 Leopard 1A3 or M60A3 don't stand chance against 4 T-55s

- 6 Leopard 2A6 are easily defeated by 4 T-72s.

 

The western tanks rarely score a kill (the T-55/72s showing their sides), while the eastern tanks easily score kills through the frontal armour of their western counterparts.

I know Russian tanks are good, but the T-72 should by no way be a match for a tank like the Leo 2A6.

 

A propper balance that enables us to build battles with at least an uncertain outcome would be appreciated.

[funkyfranky]

Interesting! I'm curious, what skill level for the AI did you use?

[Don Rudi]

T-55/72 were set to average, the western tanks set to good or excellent

[QuiGon]

What was the issue in this test? Damage or accuracy or a mix of both?

[funkyfranky]

Oh wow, the western tanks were even more skilled then plus stronger in numbers and still lost. That doesn't sound quite right.

[Nooch]

I did some tank battles a year or two ago and did not experience this at all. I found the western tanks to be very tough. But perhaps it has changed since then?

[Don Rudi]

What was the issue in this test? Damage or accuracy or a mix of both?

Both. The T-55/72s fired one round short, the next was most of the time bullseye. In case of the T-72 it was mostly lethal, even when hitting the Leopard 2 right from the front.

The western tanks - Leo 1, Leo 2 and M60 were very inaccurate. If the hit the target, one could nicely see the round bounce of the enemy tank.

The only winning combination was Leopard 2A6 set to excellent. But that can't be it - I would expect a Leopard 1A3 superior to the T-55 and roughly en par with the T-72.

[QuiGon]

Both. The T-55/72s fired one round short, the next was most of the time bullseye. In case of the T-72 it was mostly lethal, even when hitting the Leopard 2 right from the front.

The western tanks - Leo 1, Leo 2 and M60 were very inaccurate. If the hit the target, one could nicely see the round bounce of the enemy tank.

The only winning combination was Leopard 2A6 set to excellent. But that can't be it - I would expect a Leopard 1A3 superior to the T-55 and roughly en par with the T-72.

Interesting, thanks :thumbup:

Yeah, these results are indeed more than strange...

[Don Rudi]

I did some more tests, this time with the modern tanks (high vs average):

 

M1A2 vs T80: 4:0

Challenger II vs T80: 4:1

Leclerk vs T80: 4:2

 

and the Leopard drops off again:

 

Leopard 2A6 vs T80: 0:4

 

Both Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 really need a boost.

[DackSter94]

I dunno about how bad Leos are, but ground vehicles in DCS kinda always were a joke..