R-77 Mod.

[FlankerMan]

Are there any good 2.5OB compatible mods that allow the Su-27/33 to use the R-77? I downloaded the missile upgrade pack, but it doesn't work with my version, and I didn't keep 1.5.

[FlankerMan]

Um, I know it's 2.5 compatible, but it's pretty big, and I don't want the entire thing. Besides, does it even allow the Su-27/33 to use the R-77? I thought it was just a flyable DCS version of the Su-57/T-50/PAK-FA.

 

BTW, is ED planning on sometime in the relatively soon future doing anything that is R-77 related? Like improving the in-game one's FM, or making a newer, better, more advanced, longer-ranged version (especially advantageous for us MiG-29S pilots), or making a small update that allows the Su-27/33 to use the R-77? I think that making a paid (~$5-10) update that allows the Su-27/33 to use the R-77 would rack in a LOT of money (I know I'd buy it), and give a lot of players, new and old alike, a renewed interest in these beautiful aircraft. Besides, we need something that can contend with the upcoming Hornet (even though they are easier to fly, so they already have an advantage; they also have a LOT more fuel and missiles).

[GGTharos]

Neither flanker variant can use the R77. The in game R77 is what based on as much RL data as could be gathered, in particular the rocket motor. There's no such data that I know of for RVV-SD.

 

If you just want an armament mod, they're out there ... I'll see if I can find one to upload, no promises.

[FlankerMan]

Okay, thanks!

[Vilab]

go to your DCS folder :

 

DCSWorld\Scripts\Database\planes

 

copy the Su-27 file ( backup )

 

then open the original Su-27 file with textbook

 

and copy " loadout_R77, " on every pylons where you can see R-27s

 

done !

 

PS : it doesn t pass IC of course, so most MP server are forbidden

Edited February 19, 2018 by Vilab

[sobe]

Vilab

The pylons are in the 100s in the file and the R27 appears like this:

{ CLSID = "{9B25D316-0434-4954-868F-D51DB1A38DF0}" }, --R-27R

{ CLSID = "{E8069896-8435-4B90-95C0-01A03AE6E400}" }, --R-27ER

 

So I am a little confused on what to do. Could you please provide an example.

Thanks

[FlankerMan]

Um, Vilab, would that still allow the Su-27 to use the R-27, as well? Also, could I do it for the Su-33, and also let them use the R-33?

[Vilab]

Vilab

The pylons are in the 100s in the file and the R27 appears like this:

{ CLSID = "{9B25D316-0434-4954-868F-D51DB1A38DF0}" }, --R-27R

{ CLSID = "{E8069896-8435-4B90-95C0-01A03AE6E400}" }, --R-27ER

 

So I am a little confused on what to do. Could you please provide an example.

Thanks

 

 

example :

 

"...

pylon number = 3-4-5-6-7-8

 

...

 

 

{ CLSID = "{9B25D316-0434-4954-868F-D51DB1A38DF0}" }, --R-27R

{ CLSID = "{E8069896-8435-4B90-95C0-01A03AE6E400}" }, --R-27ER

loadout_R77,

 

...."

 

you just have to add " loadout_R77, "on pylons 3,4,5,6,7,8. ( the ones you want to be able to load R77 on )

 

it looks weird because the "key" for R-77 missile is completely different from the usual {123456789ABCD} like keys, but it is the same.

 

you want a weapons on a FC-3 level craft ? just add the key of this weapon on that kind of file under the correct pylons number.

 

PS : (sniped ) : yes it will still allow the su-27 to use all its weapons, it just adds R-77 to the list of available weapons on the selected pylon.

 

you can even add nuclear warhead, hellfire missiles, AIM-120C or Surface to surface anti-ship missiles.... you won't be able to fire most of the "stranger" weapons ( lack of avionic ) but you will be able to load your su-27 with them.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Vilab

[Vilab]

the ( su-27 ) file i suggests you to edit lists the weapons which can be loaded on each pylons of the Aircraft.

 

 

each pylon of a plane in that file is identified by its number and some coordinates, for example ; pylon 3 is identified by " pylon(3, 0, -1.137000, -0.321000, -4.524000,"

 

each weapon in the game has an id which usually looks like { 14598826.....853UJKSHQDFMK}, but which is " loadout_R77" in R-77 case.

 

 

if you add the key of a given weapon to the list of keys under a specific pylon, then you will be able to load that weapon on that pylon on that plane in mission editor and in rearming menu.

 

in our case, i suggest you to add " loadout_R77, " ( don't forget the com " , " ) in the list of weapon's keys which are listed under pylons 3,4,5,6,7,8 because if those pylons can wistand the weight and the wiring to load and fire R-27s, they could probably load and support R-77 in a world where su-27S could fire R-77. ( you can do the same on Su-33 under pylons 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 ).

 

yes you will be able to fire R-77 without problem ( i have even tested it before posting, i didn't know if it still worked like in FC2 ), and it will be fire and forget ( was part of the test ).

 

 

 

 

the weapons that you can add and that you will then be able to load, BUT that you won t be able to select/fire or guide are the weapons which require sensors or avionnic that the su-27 doesn't have ( Mavericks which requires TV lock, anti-ships missiles which requires air to surface missiles, nuclear bomb which might requires special fusing... ).

 

i guess that you can add AIM-54 phoenix, R-33, or R-60 ( seeking their keys inside F-14, Mig-31, Mig-23's file ) and the su-27 will be able to fire them ( however you won't be able to target several targets at the same time in AIM-54/120 case )

Edited February 19, 2018 by Vilab

[Hawkeye60]

Use this Lua.

 

A back - up of the original is included.

 

This will add,

 

R-24T Weight = 215,

 

R-33 Weight = 490,

 

R-40T Weight = 475,

 

R-77 Weight = 250

 

To the load out screen.

 

They all fire. This is the only test I performed.

 

I could do the same for the SU-33.

 

YMMV

 

(Your Missiles May Vary)

SU-27 Miisile Expansion.zip

[pepin1234]

My advise, take the Mig-29S as the only option for R-77. R-77 missile have low effective range. Mig-29 is the perfect fighter to use it because Mig-29 have great thrust weight rate and R-77 missile is main effective launch in a shot and scape tactical. Su-27 is not made for that. The current Russian version for Su-30 and Su-27SM is more advanced version with more range etc. You don’t gonna simulate this with R-77 export/early version

[sobe]

Hawkeye60

Please do. Notice that in the 33, it appears that 9 and 10 are available.

"the same on Su-33 under pylons 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 )"

[Vilab]

Hawkeye60

Please do. Notice that in the 33, it appears that 9 and 10 are available.

"the same on Su-33 under pylons 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 )"

 

the su-33 has 12 pylons, while the su-27 only has 10, the increased number of slots for R-77 ( where it could be loaded weight-wise ) as i have adviced to set only reflects this.

 

 

plane : ............wing....... /.fuselage./.......wing..

 

su-27 pylons : 1, 2, 3,....../4, 5, 6, 7,/....8, 9, 10

 

su-33 pylons : 1, 2, 3, 4, / 5, 6, 7, 8,/ 9 ,10,11, 12

 

 

 

PS : in Hawkeye60's file the added missiles can be loaded on all pylons.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Vilab

[FlankerMan]

I downloaded it, but nothing's changed. Do I have to do something else, or is it just that it isn't 2.5OB compatible? Also, where should I save it? Right now it's in the downloads file.

Edited February 19, 2018 by FlankerMan

[sobe]

Same here no joy.

[Hawkeye60]

This mod is not GvGME or JSGME ready

 

It must be placed in,

 

(Drive)\(DCS Version)\Scripts\Database\Planes

 

DO NOT install in the saved games folder!

 

DCS will overwrite this file each time it up-dates.

 

It is best to use GvGME or JSGME to manage and install it.

 

Hope this helps

[FlankerMan]

I don't have any mod launcher, can I still run it?

[sobe]

Hawkeye60

I set it up that way and no joy.

[Archer_111]

Does a R-77 missile require an AKU-170 Adapter to attach to the pylons ? R-33 probably has a similar requirement. Same is AIM-54. How can we also add the adapters ?

[Vilab]

go to your DCS folder ( the real one, not the saved-game one )

 

DCSWorld\Scripts\Database\planes

 

replace the su-27.lua file by the one included in Hawkeye60's download.

 

it should work, you should be able to load R-24T, R-33, R-40T, R77 on every weapon and be able to fire them without problem.

 

if you want to play on a protected ( mod-wise ) multiplayer server, re-replace the su-27.lua file by the original one.

[FlankerMan]

So, just move the mod? And, do I do it in my 'File Manager', or in the game itself?

[Vilab]

File Manager

[Hawkeye60]

Here is the SU-33 version.

 

I added the R-60M to this one.

Su-33.zip

[FlankerMan]

Thanks for the Su-33 mod, Hawkeye60! Vilab, what do I do with the Su-27 folder that's already there? I understand everything else.

[Vilab]

i have first tried to explain you how to make the mod yourself..

 

then i have tried to explain you how to install Hawkeye60 mod because you wrote it didn't work.

 

 

to get the mod working, you just have to replace the old ( original ) Su-27.lua and Su-33.lua in the DCS folder ( via your file manager ) by the files modified by Hawkeye60.

Edited February 20, 2018 by Vilab