Akula67 Posted May 27, 2018 Posted May 27, 2018 Hi, I think it would be a nice idea to add the outrigger pylons to the loadout options. I know they're only used on British Harrier II's, in fact they were also available for USMC AV8B's but not authorized for carriage (a bit like the DDM pylons on the Mirage 2000C) Just let the mission maker decide if he wants to stick to real life loadouts or if he wants to carry up to 6 AIM9's (or 6 Sidearms :thumbup: ) That could open some interesting possibilities for "swing-role" missions or SEAD suppression :joystick: PS : I've attached the following extracts from the AV8B Tactical manual to prove my point
mvsgas Posted May 27, 2018 Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) What is the point to make "Full fidelity" Models if they are going to be modified to be unrealistic? Oh screw it, they should carry AIM-120, this version can't, but why not. Hell lets make them AIM-54, why not. Edited May 27, 2018 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
ouPhrontis Posted May 27, 2018 Posted May 27, 2018 Agreed, don't do that. I feel a line needs to be drawn somewhere, else the thin end of a wedge gets knocked in. Make a mod for sure, but don't taint the main module. NATO - BF callsign: BLACKRAIN 2x X5675 hexacore CPUs for 24 cores | 72GB DDR3 ECC RAM 3 channel | GTX 1050Ti | 500GB SSD on PCIe lane | CH Products HOTAS | TrackIR5 | Win 7 64
Eldur Posted May 28, 2018 Posted May 28, 2018 What is the point to make "Full fidelity" Models if they are going to be modified to be unrealistic? Oh screw it, they should carry AIM-120, this version can't, but why not. Hell lets make them AIM-54, why not. I think you're missing the point. According to the documents provided it is realistic that the AV-8B can have these pylons even though the ones in service didn't make use of it. Hence the request to make it possible to restrict usage via ME. Nevertheless I'd prefer a true British GR.7 or GR.9 later on to get this. It's similar to taking ÖRAK pods (training version of ARAK that doesn't fire all 6 rockets at once, just one at a time) in the Viggen with live rockets to get 6 shots instead of just one volley - possible, but just not used in RL action (which is what HB plans to do, until then we can just flip a switch in the cockpit which is less realistic).
mvsgas Posted May 28, 2018 Posted May 28, 2018 I think you're missing the point. According to the documents provided it is realistic that the AV-8B can have these pylons even though the ones in service didn't make use of it. Hence the request to make it possible to restrict usage via ME. Nevertheless I'd prefer a true British GR.7 or GR.9 later on to get this. It's similar to taking ÖRAK pods (training version of ARAK that doesn't fire all 6 rockets at once, just one at a time) in the Viggen with live rockets to get 6 shots instead of just one volley - possible, but just not used in RL action (which is what HB plans to do, until then we can just flip a switch in the cockpit which is less realistic). I get the point just don't agree with it. Would be like F-15C carrying weapons on the outer wing stations. Yeah, the F-15Ato D have two hard points on each wing. It's not a new thing for the F-15SA, there where always there. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Akula67 Posted May 28, 2018 Author Posted May 28, 2018 I get the point just don't agree with it. Would be like F-15C carrying weapons on the outer wing stations. Yeah, the F-15Ato D have two hard points on each wing. It's not a new thing for the F-15SA, there where always there. The F15 had a major modification in order to use these pylons : the A and C have hydro-mechanical flight controls whereas the SA has a Digital Flight Control System In case of the Harrier II, the differences between the British and US variants are mostly avionics so I am pretty sure that the AV8B could use the outrriger pylons without significant change of its flying qualities ;)
ChickenSim Posted May 28, 2018 Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) Adding the option for outrigger pylons would be less far-fetched than loading the Air Force suite of Mavericks. The wiring and software is technically there, they would simply need to be attached and connected for both Night Attack and (non-remanufactured) Radar aircraft. Anecdotally, the Marines didn't use them because of the risk of the missile exhaust melting the outrigger tires. Operating strictly off of a ship or airbase this might not be an issue, but spare tires aren't always readily available at the austere forward arming points the Marine Corps makes use of. That said, I'm not sure the presence of unlimited spare parts in DCS outweighs the lack of actual outrigger pylons ever owned by the service operating this particular aircraft. Edited May 28, 2018 by ChickenSim "It is also true that we parted ways with Chicken after some disagreements."
Kaned Dragon Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 Sorry, are you dudes saying, there are 2 more hard points, which technically, are capable of mounting weapons on them? The document is a little misleading. On the chat it shows the hard point but at the bottom is says Outrigger pylons (stations 1A and 7A) are not authorized for carriage. Reads like a massive tease!
jojo Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 Sorry, are you dudes saying, there are 2 more hard points, which technically, are capable of mounting weapons on them? The document is a little misleading. On the chat it shows the hard point but at the bottom is says Outrigger pylons (stations 1A and 7A) are not authorized for carriage. Reads like a massive tease! British Harrier did use these outrigger pylons, USMC never did... https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=155320&page=188 Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Kaned Dragon Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 British Harrier did use these outrigger pylons, USMC never did... https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=155320&page=188 Such a tease haha. Well maybe in the future.
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