S-75 Dvina (SA-2) Site Layout

[Grodlund]

Hey folks! I am asking since I have not gotten around to test this baby out yet.

How is this multi-unit SAM working in DCS?

 

I managed to open the Editor and I noticed that under the "SA-2" name there were ony launcher, LN units, and the "Fan Song" Radar.

 

Now, Wikipedia mentions, a typical site would use the "P-12 Spoon Rest" radar for early warning - and the "P-15 Flat Face" is also mentioned.

 

Can a SA-2 site be set up in DCS without any of theese radars, just using the Fan Song?

And is it possible to include the Spoon Rest and/or Flat Face as well?

Will they actually work togeather and do any difference?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina#Site_layout

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-12_radar

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-15_radar

Edited September 27, 2018 by Grodlund

[Jonne]

Yesterday I was playing around with S-75 and S-125 sites combined with the P-19, which is the only available SR for both. It does seem to work with both types, however the performance of both the S-75 and S-125 was even with the SR rather low. One S-125 site completely ignored a B-52 flying right above it at 12000m.

 

The S-125 will also work without the P-19, something I want to test today with the S-75 too. Detection without a SR is of course pretty bad.

 

A bit OT: Does someone know where a SR would typically be located for a S-125 site? I have found that info for the S-75, but not the S-125.

[BrassEm]

It is in-game now?

 

I will be referencing the link below for my testing. Probably very early integration of assets into the simulation engine so not expecting too much just yet.

 

http://www.ausairpower.net/sams-iads.html

[Retu81]

  Jonne said:

A bit OT: Does someone know where a SR would typically be located for a S-125 site? I have found that info for the S-75, but not the S-125.

 

 

That's a partial plaque from Finnish Air Defense Museum, that shows the relative distances between different units. According to it, the search radar would be somewhere within 300 meters from the tracking radar.

 

The museum also has a reconstructed Sa-3 site, although the actual distances are a bit compressed due to space requirements. This is how it looks from the air, the search radar is at the bottom of the picture, below those green transport cylinders:

 

Edited September 27, 2018 by Retu81

[Jonne]

Thank you! That is very helpful for building realistic sites!

[mwd2]

For the SAM SA-2: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-SAM-Site-Configs-A.html

 

CIA rendering of fixed revetted SA-2 site circa 1966

 

 

 

S-75 site a Bulgarian site displaying the classic circular layout

[Schmidtfire]

For immersion, I hope that either a modder or ED creates the iconic SAM site layout as an object to place the SA-2 units on.

 

The site was usually quite easy to spot from the sky.

[kam]

  Jonne said:

Yesterday I was playing around with S-75 and S-125 sites combined with the P-19, which is the only available SR for both. It does seem to work with both types, however the performance of both the S-75 and S-125 was even with the SR rather low. One S-125 site completely ignored a B-52 flying right above it at 12000m.

 

The S-125 will also work without the P-19, something I want to test today with the S-75 too. Detection without a SR is of course pretty bad.

 

A bit OT: Does someone know where a SR would typically be located for a S-125 site? I have found that info for the S-75, but not the S-125.

 

SR for S-125 should be a P-15 Flat Face

 

The B-52 flying directly overhead was probably over radar elevation limits

[Svend_Dellepude]

ED probably needs to tune the elements a bit, but it will fire at you. It's just a little slow. try setting AI to high. seems to be the best skill right now.

[FSKRipper]

  Schmidtfire said:

The site was usually quite easy to spot from the sky.

 

Maybe you should check some reports of the Wild Weasel missions in Vietnam. Sometimes they passed numerous times above a site without knowing it because these guys on the ground were masters of camouflage even when keeping the basic layout.

 

Not everybody tried to style his landscape up with stars which can be seen from space :)

 

EIDT: Here also a layout for some more stuff: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-SAM-Site-Configs-A.html

[Jonne]

But that is mostly for Vietnam. You can still see nearly all former S-75 sites in the former Soviet Union very easy spotable via Google Earth.

[Mainstay]

[II.JG1_Vonrd]

Sorry to necropost but has anyone created a mod that mimics the "Flower" layout of the SA-2 sites? This would be a great setup for the Phantom. 

[OpticFlow]

  On 6/1/2024 at 4:58 AM, II.JG1_Vonrd said:

Sorry to necropost but has anyone created a mod that mimics the "Flower" layout of the SA-2 sites? This would be a great setup for the Phantom. 

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There are a bunch of SAM site assets (including SA-2 ones) in this mod:

 

[II.JG1_Vonrd]

Thank You!

[DHesquire]

  On 6/1/2024 at 4:58 AM, II.JG1_Vonrd said:

Sorry to necropost but has anyone created a mod that mimics the "Flower" layout of the SA-2 sites? This would be a great setup for the Phantom. 

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There is a default template, too, that has it.  Left side between the tank and the bridge.  Select Russia and then SA-2 SAM Battery, and you'll have a standard SA-2 site with all the support vehicles. 

It has the TR as the lead vehicle - most IADS scripts need the SR as the lead, but you can use the +/- with the TR (Unit 1 of 15) selected to add a vehicle to the 'front'.  Make it your SR and use Ctrl+Click/Drag to move it over the original SR (Unit 10 of 15).  Delete the original.  Now Unit 1 of 15 is the SR, followed by the TR etc.  You can then save your new template, if you want. 

I've done this with the RD-75 Amazonka, although I'm struggling to find where I should realistically place it within the battery.  Anyone know where standard doctrine put it?  I'd have thought it's colocated with the Fan Song TR, but then surely it'll be in the way/blocking an attack angle..?

Edited July 12, 2024 by DHesquire
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