1080ti or 2080 or Radeon VII?

[Strong05]

As the title says, I'm considering updating my gpu to either a 1080ti, 2080, or Radeon VII. Which one do you think will work best in VR with the Odyssey?

 

 

Currently have a 6700k @4.7GHz, 1070gpu, and 16GB@3400mghz

 

 

Would like to be able to play with 45fps or better, and higher video setting would be nice too, but frames are the main objective.

 

 

 

Thanks in advanced for any feedback!

[streakeagle]

I was a long time fan of AMD/ATi Radeon Gpus, but by the time the nVidia 1070/1080 series arrived, AMD solutions sucked a lot more power (made a lot more heat) and at the same or higher prices with the same or lower performance. Presently, I have a GTX 1080 that replaced my long serving HD 7970 GHz edition. My son is still using the 7970. I would like to upgrade my gpu and give him the GTX 1080 or buy a GTX 1080 equivalent for a decent price and give him the old GTX 1080. So, I have been studying the GPU market and I am not happy with the results.

 

The GTX 1080 is very old at this point. I bought mine for $470 just before the miners killed the gpu market. After all this time, I would expect to get a GTX 1080 or its current equivalent for much less than $470. Instead, AMD's lack of competitiveness and the lasting damage from the mining market has left me with nothing cost effective. I can get a 2070 for more than a 1080. I can get a 2080 or Radeon VII for a lot more and at best get GTX 1080 Ti performance at a price I am never going to pay for a gpu.

 

I have consistently built my gaming PCs for about $1,500 year after year with a gpu budget of $200 to $300. The $470 GTX 1080 was off the chart for me, but was the best price I could get and badly needed to allow me to use an Oculus Rift with DCS World. With the cards you are inquiring about which are pretty much needed to play DCS World properly priced in the $600 to $800 range or more, I am seriously considering abandoning PC flight simming. A $600 gpu is just too much for me. Cards selling at $800 to $1,200 are just plain silly.

 

But back to your question, the clear choice to me is the 2080. The 1080 Ti's price is just too high for a card that old. You can get a 2080 that performs about the same and have the latest hardware and drivers. The Radeon VII has a similar price and performance level, but is pretty much sold out and uses way too much power/produces way too much heat. If the Radeon VII was readily available and priced well below the 2080, I could see tolerating the extra power/heat and resulting cooling fan noise. But as it stands, the 2080 seems to be the sweet spot when considering all of the options for VR.

[Svsmokey]

Well said , and good advice .

[Strong05]

Thank you Streakeagle. That's kind of the way I've been leaning. I have seen a few 1080ti's used for around $550-$600, and the only real reason I'm considering the 7 is due to the 16GB of ram (which still isn't clear to me if it will be beneficial in VR with DCS).

 

 

 

Agree that GPU prices are getting out of hand. However, VR flight simming is 80% of flying the real thing and way cheaper to do then the real thing (and that's just the $hitty civilian airplanes).

[DeltaMike]

I kind of get the feeling you get out of a GPU what the developers put into it. I'm flying radeon right now because the Vega was perfect for the mining task I gave it (hard to argue with free I guess) and before that the 290x was a beast for certain tasks. But I get the feeling nvidia is favored by people developing flight sims; for example xplane doesn't even support radeon last time I checked.

 

Hard to know what the future holds, right now I think radeon is investing more (behind the scenes) in VR and multi-GPU computing. If we continue to brute-force VR, that strikes me as a good strategy. But in the end it all depends on what the developers implement.

 

DCS as a matter of policy doesn't support one brand over the other so right this second I suspect it all boils down to compute units, maybe I'm wrong but I figure the more of those the better. If so it's a matter of that, the quality of components and architecture. To the extent nvidia is banking on advanced instruction sets, I don't think that's gonna help us much in DCS but who knows.

Edited March 4, 2019 by DeltaMike

[Brewnix]

What about NVLink? I think this might be a game changer in the world video cards. My next card will be 2080 just cause Nvidia did a stupid thing only the 2080 and 2080ti are the only cards that support it. But to have ram combined and what ever else it does sounds like it would be good for gaming.

[Strong05]

What about NVLink? I think this might be a game changer in the world video cards. My next card will be 2080 just cause Nvidia did a stupid thing only the 2080 and 2080ti are the only cards that support it. But to have ram combined and what ever else it does sounds like it would be good for gaming.

 

Hadn't heard of it being used for RAM sharing, only in place of SLI bridges. Which I believe DCS is not SLI compatible so I doubt it is NVLink compatible.

[Gnadentod]

Which I believe DCS is not SLI compatible so I doubt it is NVLink compatible.

DCS can handle SLI and you get a performance increase but not in VR as of now, only on 2D screen. It must be implemented on the software side, don't ask on which exactly since it can be a bit confusing.

Edited March 4, 2019 by Der Hirte

[DeltaMike]

If I'm understanding correctly, nvidia is supporting multi-gpu computing (hence the nvlink) but only for professional cards, people who are doing deep learning as a hobby are starting to get pissed at nvidia due to lack of support. But. That's for computing, not gaming.

 

Question is, what's DCS asking of the card. It doesn't appear to be memory-intensive, for example boosting my memclock makes a huge difference with a compute task (mining) but has no effect on DCS; my main job now is to keep the dang thing cool and if I accomplish that, it does what I want it to do.

 

I get the feeling the NVIDIA cards have stuff DCS can't use, like ray tracing and I don't *think* we use the tensor cores. If my impression is right, and it all boils down to compute units, the VII should give the 2080 a run for its money. And if DCS stays true to form, and remains hardware agnostic, then it should be a wash.

 

THe kicker is, radeon hasn't given up on the crossfire concept, it's kind of their strategy for VR, to run a two-card system, one card for each eye. That does require developer support, but apparently radeon is trying to work that functionality into Vulkan, so... maybe someday.

[wormeaten]

I was a long time fan of AMD/ATi Radeon Gpus, but by the time the nVidia 1070/1080 series arrived, AMD solutions sucked a lot more power (made a lot more heat) and at the same or higher prices with the same or lower performance. Presently, I have a GTX 1080 that replaced my long serving HD 7970 GHz edition. My son is still using the 7970. I would like to upgrade my gpu and give him the GTX 1080 or buy a GTX 1080 equivalent for a decent price and give him the old GTX 1080. So, I have been studying the GPU market and I am not happy with the results.

 

The GTX 1080 is very old at this point. I bought mine for $470 just before the miners killed the gpu market. After all this time, I would expect to get a GTX 1080 or its current equivalent for much less than $470. Instead, AMD's lack of competitiveness and the lasting damage from the mining market has left me with nothing cost effective. I can get a 2070 for more than a 1080. I can get a 2080 or Radeon VII for a lot more and at best get GTX 1080 Ti performance at a price I am never going to pay for a gpu.

 

I have consistently built my gaming PCs for about $1,500 year after year with a gpu budget of $200 to $300. The $470 GTX 1080 was off the chart for me, but was the best price I could get and badly needed to allow me to use an Oculus Rift with DCS World. With the cards you are inquiring about which are pretty much needed to play DCS World properly priced in the $600 to $800 range or more, I am seriously considering abandoning PC flight simming. A $600 gpu is just too much for me. Cards selling at $800 to $1,200 are just plain silly.

 

But back to your question, the clear choice to me is the 2080. The 1080 Ti's price is just too high for a card that old. You can get a 2080 that performs about the same and have the latest hardware and drivers. The Radeon VII has a similar price and performance level, but is pretty much sold out and uses way too much power/produces way too much heat. If the Radeon VII was readily available and priced well below the 2080, I could see tolerating the extra power/heat and resulting cooling fan noise. But as it stands, the 2080 seems to be the sweet spot when considering all of the options for VR.

 

 

So the new Navi (something betwean 1080 and 1080ti) for just 270$ right GPU for you.

[boedha68]

i am flying in VR with oculus rift. I had too "now what"? What new system? vulcan api in the pipe. vr optimizations in the pipe..but no concrete dates...

 

Much work in making decissions. parts vs dollars vs performance.

 

At last I got it! RTX 2080 TI far overpriced. € 1400,00.

 

I bought the msi RTX 2080 to switch the 980TI. In sale it was for me € 840,00.

 

I bought thermal grizzly and switched the thermal compound to get a 4.3 stable overclock on my 4770K.

 

RTX 2080 overclocked by afterburner 2070 mhz. temps max 70 degree.

 

I bought today 8 gb ram today. :D

 

Stable 45 FPS in VR all the way! :D

 

Now i wait for the 3700x AMD chip. 9900k killer. and maybe.....

 

So what have i to spend? What do i consider? What is the most profit?

 

DCS is very CPU depended. Don't know if that it is in future when Vulcan arrives. ED gives no info about that.

Edited March 4, 2019 by boedha68