AIM-7M (extremly short range missle?)

[luza]

they do seem pathetically slow

[Fri13]

I only see people angry about them, but no one really stating their testing.

 

Launch Altitude: 1500, 6000, 10 000 meters.

Launch Speed: 900, 1100 or 1300 km/h.

 

Measured Range from launch point to X range where missile has Mach 1 (1235 km/h).

[Sierra99]

I see a lot of people talking about how short legged the Aim-7 is...and ED has stated missiles will get an overhaul in the future...but listen to this video...

 

 

The first shot takes place inside at 13 miles.

[Eldur]

Even with an really effective range of under 5 miles, the Sparrow and the AMRAAM, for the matter of fact, in DCS, are still BVR missiles.

 

Technically, you're entering WVR when you switch from the gun to baraning instead.

[Fri13]

I see a lot of people talking about how short legged the Aim-7 is...and ED has stated missiles will get an overhaul in the future...but listen to this video...

 

 

The first shot takes place inside at 13 miles.

 

At a range of 14 nmi (26 km) the RIO of the lead F-14A fired the first AIM-7M Sparrow; he surprised his pilot, who did not expect to see a missile accelerate away from his Tomcat. The RIO reported "Fox 1. Fox 1." The Sparrow failed to track because of a wrong switch-setting. At 10 nmi (19 km), he launched a second Sparrow missile, but it also failed to track its target.

 

The Floggers accelerated and continued to approach. At 6 nmi (11 km) range the Tomcats split and the Floggers followed the wingman while the lead Tomcat circled to get a tail angle on them. The wingman engaged with a Sparrow and downed one of the Libyan aircraft.

 

It is so interesting that US pilots so often input the wrong settings, the ground crews set the wrong settings, the warehouse personnel mishandles the missiles etc etc etc... But it is never like a weapon is a not working by a design...

Edited April 9, 2019 by Fri13
Corrected quotation mark

[jojo]

Acording to "NAVAL AIR TRAINING COMMAND AIR TO AIR INTERCEPT

PROCEDURES WORKBOOK" alias CNATRA P-825 pdf

 

 

 

AIM-7 ROCKET MOTOR

Missile propulsion is provided by a dual-thrust, Mk-56 boost-sustained solid propellant rocket motor. The initial boost lasts for approximately 3.5 seconds and propels the missile to its cruising speed of 2.5 mach over the launch aircraft's speed. The motor then sustains the thrust for an additional 12.5 seconds to allow the missile to maintain its speed over a much greater range.

 

 

Meaning that if you launch at Mach 1, the missile will reach around Mach 3.5.

Which isn't that fast for missile.

But it should maintain that speed for quite some time (that's a combined 16s of burn time, which is pretty long for AA missile).

[diditopgun]

This is clearly not the case in game... It don't go over M2.5 at high altitude. :(

[turkeydriver]

At a range of 14 nmi (26 km) the RIO of the lead F-14A fired the first AIM-7M Sparrow[/b]; he surprised his pilot, who did not expect to see a missile accelerate away from his Tomcat. The RIO reported "Fox 1. Fox 1." The Sparrow failed to track because of a wrong switch-setting. At 10 nmi (19 km), he launched a second Sparrow missile, but it also failed to track its target.

 

The Floggers accelerated and continued to approach. At 6 nmi (11 km) range the Tomcats split and the Floggers followed the wingman while the lead Tomcat circled to get a tail angle on them. The wingman engaged with a Sparrow and downed one of the Libyan aircraft.

 

It is so interesting that US pilots so often input the wrong settings, the ground crews set the wrong settings, the warehouse personnel mishandles the missiles etc etc etc... But it is never like a weapon is a not working by a design...

 

Yeah you’re not really analyzing what happened here. It is the first time western aircraft engaged eastern bloc aircraft that had a credible forward quarter shot, and the F-14 crews by this point were used to doing some turns with the Libyans but not being engaged. So yes the RIO was full of adrenaline but trying to do the recommended out distance face shot. We still do not have all details of this engagement. A third AIM-7 from this jet killed the Flogger head-on. We don’t know the condition of the AWG-9 or the condition of the weapons stations. Yes human error is largely a factor in missed opportunities but this was not a practiced setup. Once you’ve tasted combat you can comment on how it’s curious that human nature plays a factor

Edited April 9, 2019 by turkeydriver

[lunaticfringe]

*laughs in R-27 service record*

 

Were those bad pilots, bad maintenance, or a bad weapon?

 

He doesn't analyze because he doesn't want to analyze; it's simply easier to dismiss analysis by professional in their roles. And nine times out of ten on this side of the world it's the people who make the mistake fessing up to make certain that others learn from their error- filling the contents of the numerous in-service safety and training materials with their own name. Meanwhile, half a world away it still remains the CO or higher doing the public name and shame routine- never invoking the circumstances and decision making that caused the error.

 

Because its not like anyone else could ever experience the same situation...

[Victory205]

It is so interesting that US pilots so often input the wrong settings, the ground crews set the wrong settings, the warehouse personnel mishandles the missiles etc etc etc... But it is never like a weapon is a not working by a design...

 

Nah, it was nothing new. “Leo the RIO” bufoonarized the whole thing. The wingman crew was calm and had zero problems. Pretty obvious what happened.

[turkeydriver]

Victory thanks for chiming in, guess that guys name is mud.....