R-27EM pictures

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

I’ve never seen a picture of the R-27EM missile. Anybody?

[GGTharos]

Was it ever even test fired?

[Pilotasso]

It was suposed to be an anti cruise missile, missile. I have very little reference to it other than Alfas coments, so whatever it went to production I realy dont know.

[Pilotasso]

Dont laugh.. the americans did worse... They had a phantom fighter! :D

[Force_Feedback]

with aim-007, oh wait, that's the Pk

[Force_Feedback]

What did you mean here???

 

aim-7 becomes aim 007, like the weorld known British secret agent, 007 can also be interpreted as 0.007 or 0.07 for probability, hence the Probability of a kill with a single aim-7 is ~0.07 of 1.00

[D-Scythe]

Just an idea, but I'm pretty sure FF didn't mean for people to take that *literally*.

[Alfa]

Rokosowsky,

 

Mind your language please.

[Alfa]

Continiue like that and you will be out of here in no time.

[Alfa]

Do you possess any secret info about R-27R's ultimate superiority over Sparrow??? :megalol:

 

No but I possess info about the forum rules:

 

We ask member discussions and product feed-back to be conducted in a courteous and mature manor. The following is incompatible with membership of this discussion board and will not be tolerated:

 

* Foul or obscene language.

 

http://www.forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=7863

 

- JJ.

[Alfa]

Well, I must check dictionary.

 

That is what I have found in WordNet Dictionary about what shit can really mean:

 

- a narcotic that is considered a hard drug,

- something of little value

- unacceptable behavior (especially ludicrously false statements)

- (obscene) insulting terms of address for people who are stupid or irritating or ridiculous

- a coarse term for defecation

- a small worthless amount

- obscene terms for feces

- have a bowel movement

- give away information about somebody

 

I have used this term in underlined above context (damn, darn, hoot, red cent, shit, shucks, tinker's damn, tinker's dam)!

 

Cheers!

 

This....

 

- obscene terms for feces

 

...is the actual meaning of the word regardless of the connection in which it is used.

[Force_Feedback]

OK, but unfortunately now R-27R is a crock of shit (жлам) and nothing changes this sad fact, even your scoldings. :D

 

And what makes you think that, some previous life in another dimension?

[Alfa]

No, I think it is only your unfriendly misinterpretation.

 

My "unfriendly misinterpretation" stands.

[Force_Feedback]

Nothing wrong with the missile, only its shelf life, which is by now exceeded almost 2 times. Or do you think that an AMRAAM that is 20 years old will perform better. SARH does not equal bad or old, just no need to build expensive transmitters. The first shot capability of the R-27ER still makes it a potent missile, nothing bad about it, it's just that ARH can do everything it can, but the last seconds of flight the carrier can turn around and extend the distance to the enemy. Not that you can fire an ARH from 50km, turn away and hope for a kill, that only works in Falcon and Lockon.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

So, anybody have any pictures of R-27EM? :)

[D-Scythe]

he first shot capability of the R-27ER still makes it a potent missile, nothing bad about it, it's just that ARH can do everything it can, but the last seconds of flight the carrier can turn around and extend the distance to the enemy.

 

Actually, an ARH missile has the added benefit in that it doesn't have use inverse processing of doppler shift from a bistatic transmitter/receiver set. On the other hand, ARH missiles are monostatic, and can process doppler shift info as is.

 

Anyone miss Swingkid? He'd probably be calling me on my b/s right now.

[mcnab]

R-27EM? Isn't it supposed to be used by an SU33? It's in the service, right?

Though I wouldn't be surprised if opposite. Especially when there's not a single picture of an SU33 carrying live missiles on deck.

[Kula66]

None that I could say are of the EM explicitly ... but these pictures are captioned Su-33 and show an interesting weapon load ... mock-ups I presume or perhaps a 30?

 

Seems to be very few pictures of 33s on the Kuz carrying missiles ... perhaps they can't take-off with a missile load - too heavy? ;)

[thesystem]

Well, we sure need that center pylon at the Su-33 for the moskit!

[Pilotasso]

Kh-41 does exist, just not from the airborn launch version.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

None that I could say are of the EM explicitly ... but these pictures are captioned Su-33 and show an interesting weapon load ... mock-ups I presume or perhaps a 30?

 

Seems to be very few pictures of 33s on the Kuz carrying missiles ... perhaps they can't take-off with a missile load - too heavy? ;)

Those AA missiles are really mysterious. If you take a close look, you will see the absence of canards. Every missile of the K-27 (izdeliye 470) family has canards. What is very interesting, is that they almost exclusively appear on Su33. In the beginning I thought those missiles were of the EA series. Now, I don’t believe that’s the case.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

This missile (a.k.a Kh-41) also doesn't exist. Unfortunately Russian arms sellers have a long tradition to show various weapons together with Russian fighters which can't use them in reality. It was done many times during air-shows to cheat public, foreign intelligence services and potential buyers as I suppose.

Soviet Union/Russia was never in the war where it would need R-27EA or Kh-41. Nothing on the planet of earth dared to come close enough and in the range of these weapon systems. Soviet Union/Russia would make very limited quantities of these weapon system, certify them and if needed, they would produce them in mass quantities.

 

As is right now, you would not dare to get in the range of Kh-41 which is of the very few (if not the only) missile that can fly mach 2.5 at an altitude of 10 meters. And can be fitted with nuclear war head.

 

BTW, you can not cheat “potential buyers”. If they want to buy, you have to make it work.

 

Do you have any pictures of R-27EM?

[Pilotasso]

Soviet Union/Russia was never in the war where it would need R-27EA or Kh-41. Nothing on the planet of earth dared to come close enough and in the range of these weapon systems.

 

 

Range isnt everything, as it was numerous times demonstrated in combat.

Furthermore R-27EA never entered service and it would most lilely pale compared to the AMRAAM when it comes to routines and seeker perfomance. Kh-41 could be intercepted even above mach 1 just like its naval cousin. There are defenses against it.

 

Just quit this political intimidation doom and gloom out of science fiction, Im getting bored and you never listen despite being the only one who can see ghosts.

[nscode]

Moreover AT-16 "Vikhr" laser beam-rider ATGM also seems to be abandoned by Russia together with Ka-50 family of choppers. Few years ago Russian VVS switched to Mi-28N and Mi-24PN armed with radio-command ATGMs such as Ataka-V and its follow-on Khrizantiema.

 

Thus "Black Shark" mod went S-F even before release!

 

 

You reeeeeally need to get informed better

[Kula66]

Range isnt everything, as it was numerous times demonstrated in combat.

 

Well, all other things being equal (which I know they were not) it gives you first shot and puts your enemy on the defensive.

 

Plus given USSR usually had a numerical advantage, could 2 F-15s with 16 AMRAAMs handle 6 SU-27s with 48 R-27AEs and 12 R-73s - especially given that the SU-27s would shoot first. The 15s would have to wade through a wall of R-27s! The Su-27s could then just turn and run from the suvivors using all that internal fuel.

 

Many reports speak of the Russian disappointment with the R-77, especially in range when compared to the 27. Those fins were just too draggy! Shame this isn't reflected in LO :(