Spiceman Posted June 3, 2019 Posted June 3, 2019 I am a little confused, according to this https://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2200&tid=700&ct=2 there were 3 C variants: C, C+ and ECCM. The original deployed in 1985 required cooling. The later models did not (or is C+ just another designation for ECCM?). Perhaps all Cs were upgraded to C+ standards eventually? Anyway, it depends on what HB is modelling. Yeah, not sure. The NATOPS I referenced is from 2001. I agree, none of this is going to matter in the sim. Former USN Avionics Tech VF-41 86-90, 93-95 VF-101 90-93 Heatblur Tomcat SME I9-9900K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3200 | Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe | RTX 2070 Super | TM Throttle | VPC Warbird Base TM F-18 Stick
turkeydriver Posted June 3, 2019 Posted June 3, 2019 Did the D not have the plumbing for early AIM-54? Or could it carry A-C+? VF-2 Bounty Hunters https://www.csg-1.com/ DCS F-14 Pilot/RIO Discord: https://discord.gg/6bbthxk
Spiceman Posted June 3, 2019 Posted June 3, 2019 Did the D not have the plumbing for early AIM-54? Or could it carry A-C+? I believe the D had liquid coolant for the radar, but not for Phoenix. So it would have been limited to the C. Former USN Avionics Tech VF-41 86-90, 93-95 VF-101 90-93 Heatblur Tomcat SME I9-9900K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3200 | Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe | RTX 2070 Super | TM Throttle | VPC Warbird Base TM F-18 Stick
Brigg Posted June 3, 2019 Posted June 3, 2019 D model Bombcats carried 1 Phoenix on the left wing, well at least the Blacklions did.
Spiceman Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 D model Bombcats carried 1 Phoenix on the left wing, well at least the Blacklions did. Yeah I have no doubt things changed when A/G became more prevalent, and especially when the need for coolanol went away. Maintaining that system out to the wing pylons was a nightmare. Former USN Avionics Tech VF-41 86-90, 93-95 VF-101 90-93 Heatblur Tomcat SME I9-9900K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3200 | Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe | RTX 2070 Super | TM Throttle | VPC Warbird Base TM F-18 Stick
Nealius Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 Dbacks carried Charlie Phoenixes on the left glove pylon when bombing as well, it seems. According to a couple pics I dug up, anyway.
Brigg Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 Yep, it was the done thing for bombing and tarps missions
Nealius Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 Was it for actual self-escort or just used as ballast to offset the weight of the TGP on the other side, like the supposed GBU-12 that was kept on Harriers back when they were limited to using the TGP on a wing pylon?
Dudikoff Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) Was it for actual self-escort or just used as ballast to offset the weight of the TGP on the other side, like the supposed GBU-12 that was kept on Harriers back when they were limited to using the TGP on a wing pylon? It always seemed logical to me it was to offset the TGP weight. The LTS pod is not quite as heavy as the Phoenix (550 lbs according to HOTM page, I guess without the adapter?), but there's also the adapter weight, plus the pod is hanged lower than the Phoenix so I guess it might not be that far off. Edited June 4, 2019 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Brigg Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 Yeah to offset the weight is probably the most logical explanation. The only time I have seen more than 1 Phoenix carried on the wings is in the Domesday load out config.
Nealius Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 Only 550 for the Lightning? In DCS ours is something like 660.
UWBuRn Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 If I remember correctly, one 18-gallon pump/reservoir (in the station 6 Phoenix fairing) supplies coolant to all Phoenix. There are no dependencies on which stations need to be loaded, I.e. you can have Phoenix on the wing pylons only, if you choose. I was quoting the manual from DCS F-14, because i was guessing exactly the OP question. http://www.heatblur.se/F-14Manual/weapons.html states: The F-14 is capable of carrying up to 6 AIM-54 missiles, four on rails on the fuselage and one each on the glove pylons. Because of the missile cooling system used the two front phoenix pylons must always be mounted meaning that the rear fuselage pylons can’t be used if the front ones aren’t present. The glove pylons contain their own cooling systems. Of course i don't know how reliable is that information... In DCS, with the first release version, i tested up a bit, IIRC 2 AIM-54 on wing stations and 4 AIM-7 on semi-recessed belly stations were less draggy than 2 AIM-54 on belly pilons, and 3 AIM-7 (one on semi-recessed belly station and 2 on wing stations). AIM-54 belly pylons seemed to pay a penality, the combination of the missile+pylon drag seemed to be not properly accounted. I might retry whith the current update (or the next one).
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