Bearfoot Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 As we enter the pattern, ~800 ft, 300-350 kts, wings manually swept back. The wings get switched to auto in the break. Correct? As we typically fly with wings on auto, why not keep wings in auto when entering as well as throughout the pattern? I imagine, like so many procedures in aviation, this is grounded in some very good sense. Wondering what the sense is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyTX Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Close formation you want to be in a constant setting coming into the boat. On the break it helps the jet slow quicker due to higher alpha swept. It looks cool and the Navy love that. I hit auto at 350 knots in the break but that's just me an old habit. Sent from my GM1915 using Tapatalk I7 3930 4.2GHz ( Hyperthreading Off), GTX1080, 16 GB ddr3 Hotas Warthog Saiteck Combat Pedals HTC Vive, Oculus CV1. GTX 1080 Has its uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickx Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I think it also helps for trim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachomaga Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Appart for described reasons, at 300-350 knots, the wings are not in 68° Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4y30n Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 On the break it helps the jet slow quicker due to higher alpha swept. As I'm sure all the MiG-21 and Mirage guys know, a delta wing makes a good air brake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyTX Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Yep hit the merge with the wings swept and then shock him by taking him single circle Sent from my GM1915 using Tapatalk I7 3930 4.2GHz ( Hyperthreading Off), GTX1080, 16 GB ddr3 Hotas Warthog Saiteck Combat Pedals HTC Vive, Oculus CV1. GTX 1080 Has its uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legearre Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 The trim comment is spot on in addition to the others. Trim with wings swept gets you much closer to the right trim for 15 units AoA with the plane dirty-ed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearfoot Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 Thanks all. WRT the trim comments --- so you folks trim before the break? And then retrim after dirtied on the downwind? And then again as you get in the groove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhntissbaby111 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Thanks all. WRT the trim comments --- so you folks trim before the break? And then retrim after dirtied on the downwind? And then again as you get in the groove? Once I get it trimmed on downwind, I don’t touch trim again. If you adjust the trim on the base turn then you’ll have to return on final. Instead, just add a little aft stick and hold it manually, then once you get on final you won’t have to mess with the trim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legearre Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 You’re always trimming. There’s no auto trim so every pitch change brings a corresponding trim change in the pattern. By the time your in the groove, pitch/trim should be pretty good with only minor adjustments and you then use DLC to perfect the trap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmedges Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 I thought the purpose of keeping them swept was to act as an aero brake during the break. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Allied Air Command Website | Allied Air Command Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearfoot Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 Once I get it trimmed on downwind, I don’t touch trim again. You’re always trimming. Two kinds of people, LOL Seriously, thanks for the insight. Still struggling to get her trimmed on speed on the downwind, but I've tried to trim for level flight with the wings swept on the break and this definitely helps!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legearre Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 You’ll get it. You’ll get to the point where you can trim by feel and anticipation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser18 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I read an account by a pilot on how to do carrier landings with the F-14 and I believe his words were "You are always trimming like crazy". But yeah, when you come into the brake with the wings swept back you should already be trimmed somewhat to keep the nose up because of the lack of lift from having the wings swept back. After the brake when you sweep the wings forward, the trim should be so that your nose will not drop hard because you lost so much speed, because now your wings are unfolded and you are already well trimmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightswitch Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 The idea is to be trimmed out as best you can so when it comes to final you only need small quick shots of trim to stay trimmed properly. That’s how I do it anyway. Alienware M17x, Intel I7 4700MQ @2.4GHz, AMD R9 M290x, Win10 64x, 16GB ram, Saitek X-65, Saitek ProFlight pedals, Thrustmaster MFDs, Track ir 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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