imacken Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 It's not clear to me if the cage/uncage button is working in the Viper sidewinders. Doesn't seem to free up the seeker as far as I can see. Is it functioning at the moment? Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
viper2097 Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 It is working. When you have the seeker looking at a target (either boresight or with the HMJCS) you have to press uncage to uncage the seeker, so that it can lock on the target and stays locked. With out pressing uncage, the lock would break as soon as the target would moce away a little more. If the sidewinder is slaved to the radar, you don't have to press the uncage button. Steam user - Youtube I am for quality over quantity in DCS modules
falconbr Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) It does not working when SRM mode is selected without JHMCS and when there is no radar lock on. Edited October 10, 2019 by falconbr
imacken Posted October 10, 2019 Author Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) It not working when SRM mode is selected without JHMCS and when there is no radar lock on. This isn't working for me. In SLAVE mode, the seeker is uncaged, and cage/uncage button doesn't do anything, and that is fair enough. In BORE mode, the cage/uncage button does nothing. The missile diamond remains locked to the boresight, no matter what, even with a target locked via radar. It is working. When you have the seeker looking at a target (either boresight or with the HMJCS) you have to press uncage to uncage the seeker, so that it can lock on the target and stays locked. With out pressing uncage, the lock would break as soon as the target would moce away a little more. If the sidewinder is slaved to the radar, you don't have to press the uncage button. Sure but it's not working - see above. Edited October 10, 2019 by imacken Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
falconbr Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 It does not working when SRM mode is selected without JHMCS and when there is no radar lock on. I think that was already reported.
imacken Posted October 10, 2019 Author Posted October 10, 2019 I think that was already reported. OK, but it doesn't work whether there is a radar lock or not. Has that been reported? Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
falconbr Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 OK, but it doesn't work whether there is a radar lock or not. Has that been reported? i think this is it: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=250889 What do You think?
imacken Posted October 10, 2019 Author Posted October 10, 2019 i think this is it: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=250889 What do You think? Thanks, but I think that’s a different issue. I think maybe the best thing is to wait and see what happens in tomorrow’s patch. If no different, I’ll put a bug report in. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
falconbr Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) Thanks, but I think that’s a different issue. I think maybe the best thing is to wait and see what happens in tomorrow’s patch. If no different, I’ll put a bug report in. :beer: Edited October 10, 2019 by falconbr
NoPro Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 Thanks, but I think that’s a different issue. I think maybe the best thing is to wait and see what happens in tomorrow’s patch. If no different, I’ll put a bug report in. Tomorrow’s patch?! Did I miss something?!
imacken Posted October 10, 2019 Author Posted October 10, 2019 Tomorrow’s patch?! Did I miss something?! https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4067152&postcount=3071 Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
Greyman Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4068362&postcount=3094 apparently :) Edit: LOL, apparently, @Imacken and i have nothing better to do. i better go do some more AAR practice. :) Edited October 10, 2019 by Greyman
Mover Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 If the sidewinder is slaved to the radar, you don't have to press the uncage button. Yes, you do.
falconbr Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 Yes, you do. I agree. I think the bypass and threshold option for the AIM-9 SMS page is not modeled.
imacken Posted October 10, 2019 Author Posted October 10, 2019 I agree with viper2097, there is no need to press the uncage when the sidewinder is slaved to the radar and a target is locked. The seeker is already uncaged. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
Frederf Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 All AIM-9 should be uncaged before firing to verify self-track while on the rail. Firing an uncaged AIM-9 is a risky proposition and not conducive to a long career. It will uncage and attempt track if fired caged but it could very well never track or change targets unexpectedly. You don't have to (doesn't even have to be cool) but your particular air force is going to be unhappy. The target detection circuitry (TD) only allows uncage when suitable target signal threshold is reached. This can be bypassed by setting the TD option to BP in the avionics settings. You should see the missile diamond grow in size when uncaged. I too have been unsuccessful at uncaging via the uncage switch.
Mover Posted October 11, 2019 Posted October 11, 2019 I agree with viper2097, there is no need to press the uncage when the sidewinder is slaved to the radar and a target is locked. The seeker is already uncaged. You can agree with him, but then you'll both be wrong.
imacken Posted October 11, 2019 Author Posted October 11, 2019 You can agree with him, but then you'll both be wrong. You're obviously running a different version of the Viper than the rest of us. In the one I use, I never have to use the uncage buttton when the weapon is in Slave mode. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
Mover Posted October 11, 2019 Posted October 11, 2019 You're obviously running a different version of the Viper than the rest of us. In the one I use, I never have to use the uncage buttton when the weapon is in Slave mode. Yes, 1000 hrs in the real one.
imacken Posted October 11, 2019 Author Posted October 11, 2019 Yes, 1000 hrs in the real one. Unfortunately, we don't get that for our $79, sadly! :smilewink: We here can only report on our experience of the less expensive version! Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
Mover Posted October 11, 2019 Posted October 11, 2019 Unfortunately, we don't get that for our $79, sadly! :smilewink: We here can only report on our experience of the less expensive version! I understand. But the question was how it should work. Not how your pre-release version currently works.
imacken Posted October 11, 2019 Author Posted October 11, 2019 I understand. But the question was how it should work. Not how your pre-release version currently works. We’re becoming a bit petty here, but that was not my original question. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
Mover Posted October 11, 2019 Posted October 11, 2019 We’re becoming a bit petty here, but that was not my original question. You're right. It wasn't a question. It was a factually inaccurate statement from someone else that I corrected and you disagreed with. Nothing petty about it. I don't have a dog in this fight. :thumbup:
imacken Posted October 11, 2019 Author Posted October 11, 2019 To be honest, I don’t know what ‘it’ you are referring to. Regarding the actual topic at hand, in DCS Viper, there is no need to press uncage if the sidewinder is slaved to radar, and the uncage button doesn’t work in bore mode. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
Mover Posted October 11, 2019 Posted October 11, 2019 To be honest, I don’t know what ‘it’ you are referring to. Regarding the actual topic at hand, in DCS Viper, there is no need to press uncage if the sidewinder is slaved to radar, and the uncage button doesn’t work in bore mode. Which would make it a bug, right?
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