F-14 indication on RWR

[metzger]

I am not sure where to post this, if it is related to the F-14 or F-16 (most likely 14) so moderators feel free to move it if necessary.

 

Attached picture shows nails from f-15,su27,m2k and f-14 all together in a formation around 20 miles away from me.

 

As the F-15 and su27 radars are stronger than m2k at this distance they are already in the inner circle as high priority threads but why the F-14 share the same signal strength as the M2K ? I'd expect it to be similar or stronger than the su27/f15 ?

[Wags]

This has nothing to do with signal strength. For this ALR type, the ring location indicates threat level with inner being missile guidance, middle lock, and outer in acq mode.

 

Thanks

[metzger]

This has nothing to do with signal strength. For this ALR type, the ring location indicates threat level with inner being missile guidance, middle lock, and outer in acq mode.

 

Thanks

 

Thanks for the update.

 

 

However your statement defers from what it is written in the f-16 manual:

 

"The locations of radar emitters on the display do not necessarily correlate to emitter range from your aircraft.

The distance of the threat icon from the center of the display indicates radar signal strength."

 

 

 

"If a symbol is displayed with no circle around it, it indicates that the radar is in acquisition/search

mode. When a new emitter is detected, a new threat tone will be heard.

If a symbol has a steady circle around it, it indicates that the radar is tracking/locked on to your

aircraft. When being tracked by an engagement radar, you will be provided a radar lock tone.

If a symbol has a flashing circle around it, it indicates that the radar is supporting a missile that has

been launched at you. When being launched on by a radar-guided missile, you will hear a missile

launch tone and the LAUNCH light to the left will illuminate."

 

 

No circles for spikes (locks) or flashing circles for lunches as you can see in the picture. Just 4 different aircraft on the same distance (approx 20 miles) with radars on in search mode. F-15 and Su27 in the inner circle and with a diamond for priority target and 14 and Mirage far out.

 

I'd pick the 14 as priority here as 20 miles phoenix shot is the biggest threat in that picture and also the AWG-9 radar the most powerful one should generate the highest "signal strength".

 

 

Further testing shows that with russian FC3 beryosa the signal strength from the 14 matches exactly the one from the m2k, so problem seems to be on the tomcat side.

I kindly ask if moderator can move the thread into tomcat section.

[Wags]

Thanks, I'll see that the guide gets corrected.

[Santi871]

This has nothing to do with signal strength. For this ALR type, the ring location indicates threat level with inner being missile guidance, middle lock, and outer in acq mode.

 

Thanks

 

This is not how it works ingame. OP is correct in saying it's based on strength (ingame).

 

The DCS Hornet works this way however.

[metzger]

If it worked this way, F-15 and Su-27 should't be in the inner circle as neither of them spiked or lunched.Dimond is priority target, So there is an issue either way.

 

The as said above, I have tested with beryosa rwr which does measure signal strength and the AWG9 signal strength matches the Mirage one which makes no sense at all.

[Wags]

This is not how it works ingame. OP is correct in saying it's based on strength (ingame).

 

The DCS Hornet works this way however.

 

Then it must have broke and we'll fix it.

 

Thanks

[metzger]

I am starting to think I am not expressing myself correctly:

 

4 ship formation of f15, su27, m2k, f-14 radars on search mode, no locks or lunches head on 20 miles away from f16.

 

The f16 rwr shows the picture in the OP post. Why 14 is way back with the Mirage ?

 

1. If it measures signal strength which is what manual states and what it seems to be then f-14 should be the closest treat due it's powerful radar. - So there is an issue with f-14 radar emitter.

 

2. If it is based on missile guidance and lock, why f-15 and su-27 are inner when they neither lunched or locked the f16 which is also visible from the rwr symbology.

 

 

3. We made similar test with mig29 instead of f-16 and beryoza rwr showed the same radar strength of the F-14 as the M2K even tho the f14 radar is much more powerful.

 

So I stand behind number 1. Something is not right for how f-14 is detected on the RWRs which are measuring signal strength and I kindly ask moderators to move this thread into heatblur f-14 main section.

 

And I will kindly ask anyone willing to comment to read the thread carefully first.

 

Thank you.

 

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[Santi871]

Then it must have broke and we'll fix it.

 

Thanks

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the threat classification is not based strictly on signal type (search/lock/launch) but also on strength. The ALTITUDE button for example allows swapping to a secondary library which contains threat priority classification tailored to low altitude threats.

[Wags]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the threat classification is not based strictly on signal type (search/lock/launch) but also on strength. The ALTITUDE button for example allows swapping to a secondary library which contains threat priority classification tailored to low altitude threats.

 

For some ALRs yes, but NOT this one. We have very good and clear information on this matter. there is zero mention of signal strength as a display factor.

 

Thanks

[Mr. Big.Biggs]

I am starting to think I am not expressing myself correctly:

 

4 ship formation of f15, su27, m2k, f-14 radars on search mode, no locks or lunches head on 20 miles away from f16.

 

The f16 rwr shows the picture in the OP post. Why 14 is way back with the Mirage ?

 

1. If it measures signal strength which is what manual states and what it seems to be then f-14 should be the closest treat due it's powerful radar. - So there is an issue with f-14 radar emitter.

 

2. If it is based on missile guidance and lock, why f-15 and su-27 are inner when they neither lunched or locked the f16 which is also visible from the rwr symbology.

 

 

3. We made similar test with mig29 instead of f-16 and beryoza rwr showed the same radar strength of the F-14 as the M2K even tho the f14 radar is much more powerful.

 

So I stand behind number 1. Something is not right for how f-14 is detected on the RWRs which are measuring signal strength and I kindly ask moderators to move this thread into heatblur f-14 main section.

 

And I will kindly ask anyone willing to comment to read the thread carefully first.

 

Thank you.

 

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Waggs said “ It must be broke we’ll fix it”.

Christ man, what do ya want, an atta boy???

Well fine Then ATTA BOY METZ!!!!

[metzger]

Waggs said “ It must be broke we’ll fix it”.

Christ man, what do ya want, an atta boy???

Well fine Then ATTA BOY METZ!!!!

 

Wags says they will fix f-16 rwr to work not based on signal strength but on signal type and also correct the manual to reflect it but this is not what I report and there is an issue either way... so read before post.

[Santi871]

For some ALRs yes, but NOT this one. We have very good and clear information on this matter. there is zero mention of signal strength as a display factor.

 

Thanks

 

Thanks for the info Wags!

[Dee-Jay]

Hi Wags!

, but NOT this one.

... ALR-56M?

 

 

Regards.