Su25T questions

[muamshai]

I am training to learn Su25T for SEAD strike. Target is S300 with advanced skill.

 

Now here is the thing. No matter what I do, I get hit by that uder genious S300. I don't keep ECM turned on all the time (external ECM pod, "E" key), I keep my plane fast, I dispense chaff, I roll, I go up and down (while keeping the speed) but S300 missiles get me anyhow.

 

I usually try to fire missiles from high alt so that it will have some range. Of course, S300 radar can track me as well on high alt.

 

Now give me some suggestions. Also if there's any video tutorials to help me :)

 

By the way, how can I play video tutorials came with LockOn. They are not compatible with Flamming Cliff and latest patch.

 

Sorry if I sound like a n00b but I really would like to learn a thing or two here :)

 

Edit: Allright, I got TekaTeka's website and his convrted tutorials in video format :)

[Yellonet]

The S-300 is huge and very very fast, if you get within a certain range you're dead.

If you want to be able to avoid it you need to stay at range so that by the time get out to you it is low on energy, then you have a chance to out manuever it.

 

Edit: 1000 posts

[159th_Viper]

Launch from 4000m+ AGL - Preferably climb to 6000m AGL and then when approx 5km from LA enter a Shallow dive to build up maximum airspeed.

 

Whilst on your attack run engage ECM and keep it on. If you obtain LA and have not been launched on, draw the first launch and immediately double-tap (Launch a half-second apart) your 2 58's with your nose pointed away from the SAM.

 

If you draw the first launch prior to getting LA just stick with it and launch when authorised as above.

 

Once you have launched the 58's, Split-S and Hit the Weeds LOW whilst extending 180 degrees.

 

You'll be dragging the incoming missile down, thus slowing it down and hopefully dragging it into the ground too.

 

Do as above and you're guaranteed to stay alive. Not always guaranteed a Hit on the S-300 though ;)

[brewber19]

You should keep your ECM on during ingress as it reduces the S-300's "Rmax", allowing you to get closer to launch your 58s. The technique Colt recommends is a good one also (keeping ECM on). Don't bother with chaff as it has no effect with the 300.

 

So, ingress at 6000m when 100km out...start gentle descent at 70-75km to pick up speed, and start a gentle "beam", then hold your nerve to get your launch, then do as Colt suggested ;)

[Kuky]

For long range SAM sites I like to get in very low and as close as possble... fire 2 anti radiation missiles within 1-2 sec for sure hit as 1 will most likely get intercepted. The reason I like to get in low is if there are any hills around even just few 10's on meters it give me enough coverage to hide from the SAM radar untill I am in good range to fire... and the closer I am when I fire the more energy will my missiles have and they will be faster which makes then harder to intercept. If you stay really high long range SAM will be able to engage you from much further away and you'll most likely end up as dead meat.

[muamshai]

Thanks guys for the suggestions. Does S300 have multiple radars? I counted 3 of them atleast.

[xplight]

Working ECM - its dosent mater anything for C300 ...

 

There is 3 radars:

1 - observ radar (smallest size);

2 - low alt targets observing radar (biggest size);

3 - guding radar - medium size)

So if you shoot down this medium size radar, it will lock on you, but it wouldnt shoot ;)

 

Just fly low alt (5-10 m) and shoot 2 anti radar missles (X52) from 20 km distance. Or shoot it by Vikhr from 10 km ;)

 

Its easy ;) Be shure ;)

 

 

Do u whant some track?

http://rapidshare.com/files/70984399/Su25T_vs_C300.rar

[tim_k]

Another variant - fly very high (about 7000m - 9000m ASL) with 2 X-58

[SoaringEagle74]

I am no expert but the best way to defeat a sam system, especially the long range versions, is to get as low as possible and stay there until you launch your KH-58 anti-radiation missile. 50-100 meters AGL is nice assuming your comfortable flying low. When you get close(within 50 kms) go even lower!

 

Also, try picking an obscure route(yeah zig zagging through cliffs and valleys) so you can ambush and get out before the SAM has time to react. Real air force pilots practice this all the time!

[xplight]

tim_k and SoaringEagle74

You forget that C300 can intercept anti radar missles. And its doing this wery well ;)

[mibsk]

There are beautifull training mission reports by BeachAV8R ...

http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2142529

 

Those made me like Su25T ;-)

[SoaringEagle74]

tim_k and SoaringEagle74

You forget that C300 can intercept anti radar missles. And its doing this wery well ;)

 

Yeah. Like most modern SAM systems it does have this ability thats why its really a bad idea to do this solo. A dedicated SEAD flight would be much preferrable especially due to the fact that there are 3 radars to deal with.

 

Still the basics are the same though...stay as low as possible and use the terain for cover until launch. Then turn around and use all countermeasures!

[xplight]

Yeah. Like most modern SAM systems it does have this ability thats why its really a bad idea to do this solo. A dedicated SEAD flight would be much preferrable especially due to the fact that there are 3 radars to deal with.

 

Still the basics are the same though...stay as low as possible and use the terain for cover until launch. Then turn around and use all countermeasures!

 

Buddy, just watch this track http://forum.lockon.ru/showpost.php?p=403777&postcount=7 :pilotfly::joystick:

 

I mean that fiering from hi alt and far distance, - its very bad idea... (in attacking C300 or Patriot). Just fly low, get clouser, and shoot all that you have from 25 km. 2 missles at radar 1 and 2, and 2 missles at radar #3 («war» radar).

[muamshai]

Thanks everyone for the replies.

The track was indeed helpful. I can do all radars in S300 site if I can carry 8 Kh-58 :D

[xplight]

maybe you want more track's?

— Su25T with vikhr vs C300

— F15 with AIM120C vs C300

— A10A with (maveric\canon\bombs) vs C300

 

(automatic tranlstion by google)

I say this to such a simple logic - low alt flight, and shoot at close range, shoot anything, although the boots of the cab throw =)

 

:doh::megalol::lol::music_whistling::thumbup:

[tim_k]

low alt flight, and shoot at close range, shoot anything, although the boots of the cab throw =)

Quite right. If long range SAM is covered by other SAMs/AAA high altitude ARM has no chances to hit radar. But if Patriot or S300 is alone, wich is typical for most missions, then chance that 1 of 2 Kh-58 fired from high altitude will hit radar is about 1/2 :)

OT: In one mission I saw radar, wich was about 50 km behind launchers :) What a great surprise was to get hit by missile, while the radar was far away :)

[xplight]

In one mission I saw radar, wich was about 50 km behind launchers :) What a great surprise was to get hit by missile, while the radar was far away :)

 

he he, i do something like this, but there was 2 radars: 1st radar was near with launchers, and another was far about 30 km in front and was coverd by terrain =) So when you trying to attack this mulit-radar-sam its wery hard nut :music_whistling: