Possible bugs!

[SoaringEagle74]

Hi. I recently patched LOMAC/FC to 1.12b and noticed several problems.

 

1)Demo videos that played correctly with LOMAC/FC 1.1 are bugged after patching. Planes crash, fly low, etc!

 

2)SU-25T engines do not start with Ctrl-E during mission beginnings when aircraft is parked. I checked options/input/keyboard and the keys are mapped correctly.

 

3)SU-25T flaps are partially full down and partially combat. Specifically, the left wing flap is at full down and right wing flap is at combat position. This happens during mission beginnings when aircraft is still parked.

 

4)Fuel tanks while choosen during mission setup(payload section) are not visually displayed but are viewable after mission is loaded! I know this happens with SU-25T...not sure about other planes yet!

 

How many people are having the same probems? Do these problems occur with other planes as well or only SU-25T?

[Frostie]

Turn the power on before starting engines then everything should be fine, and the tanks have always been invisible on payload screen for the 25's , no worrys though cos they are they're in game.

[Boberro]

IMO there are much bugs in Lock on specially in Su25T, but these which you wrote aren't bugs. Don't know what about point 1.

I have bug sometimes keabord broke and example F2, 3, 4,5 ,6 ,7 ,8 doesnt work, or HUD screws, or sometimes 25T takes steers and crash (!).

[Frostie]

IMO there are much bugs in Lock on specially in Su25T, but these which you wrote aren't bugs. Don't know what about point 1.

I have bug sometimes keabord broke and example F2, 3, 4,5 ,6 ,7 ,8 doesnt work, or HUD screws, or sometimes 25T takes steers and crash (!).

Works fine for me.

It bugs me how people blame the game without looking into the problem a bit more.:book:

[Boberro]

Works fine for me.

It bugs me how people blame the game without looking into the problem a bit more.:book:

 

Could you explain it more plz.

 

I think my examples are bugs cause for 1\20-30 flights (takes steers after start or flight) 25T behaves that so it isn't normal... After start and light steer left\right sometimes HUD screws (1\ to 10 flights about) example turn to 30 degrees (hud turns to 30 degrees) and stay all time in this position until crash or repair - dont know maybe 25T needs 550 speed to turn light, so it is also unnormal, if iam wrong plz tell me :)

[Frostie]

Some things to remember when flying Su-25T, set joystick curves as a straight diagonal, when powering up from cold remember to wait 3mins for your INS to align. These and many other things are explained in the well presented manual.

[thereminqblank]

1) Some of the demos don't work in v1.12a/b. It states which ones aren't in the demo video menus.

2) You need to turn on the electrics before starting the engines. I think it's Shift-L? Check your key setup in the options. Also, make sure your throttle is at idle before starting the engines! Otherwise you'll be going through the startup procedure again, only after the engines have stopped spinning - and that takes time!

3) Erm, this might just be cause when the aircraft is parked. Probably won't happen when using the flaps after the engine is started. Never had the problem of tipping over when putting the flaps down : P

4) There was a recent thread on this, which includes a fix I think. It's on this forum somewhere.

 

Boberro: perhaps your problem might be forgetting to start both engines? That would cause a yaw problem and cause the HUD to show a turn to the left or right? Not sure, just throwing a suggestion in there!

[Boberro]

no matter what some people think. ;)

 

Yes I wasn't nice, cause I was nervous when I saw " SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP ME!!!!! ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM!! " ( I very don't like shout and many "!!!!!"). :)

 

To prevent your INS/HUD datum from having errors, we stay stationary in our parking area for between 2 - 3 mins. This will allow our gyros to stabilize and set their initial state. IIRC waiting 2 mins gives 80'ish% accuracy and 3 mins will give the maximum accuracy attainable.

 

It seems much time we spend on ground to stabilize it? I didn't know 25T is so "strange", thought it is stabilized when starting power, ect and we don't need to wait.

[SoaringEagle74]

Sorry Boberro, but I would agree with Frostie that the majority (if not all) of problems are not bugs but are user problems. Usually caused by lack of knowledge by not reading the flight manual (RTFM) or using the forums.

 

The forums are here for friendly chat and to expand the users knowledge. Even if the poster is a Newbie or a veteran, no question is stupid or below the standard of the user, no matter what some people think. ;)

 

First I will explain proper start-up procedure that will solve some of these so called "bugs".

 

When you get into your nice new shiny Su-25T on the apron, she is in a power off state. With no power or hydraulic pressure. No instruments will work and the flaps will be at their "rest" positions..

 

Are you reffering to one flap fully down and the other at combat position as being normal? Sorry but I disagree! Yes the flaps are at rest due to lack of hydraulic pressure but why are they in different positions in relation to each other?

 

1. We introduce power to the craft by pressing Shift-L, this will allow you instruments and HUD to receive power. Also ensure your throttles are at the idle position for the next step or you will flood the engine resulting in an impromptu BBQ with medium-rare pilot.

 

Ok. Good points but I always introduce power before engine startup and the engines usually do NOT respond. What I might be guilty of is not keeping the throttle exactly at idle but my throttle module is not the most accurate piece of equipment anyway. I usually have to tap 'ctrl-e' several times before engine-fire up!

 

2. Either using the 1 button start method (RWin-Home) or individually starting them, power up your engines. Once started your hydraulic pumps will have enough pressure for the flaps to rise to their full up position, we will also have brake control etc..

 

Good point but again I say flaps should be in the same position with relation to each other...at least theoritically speaking.

 

3. To prevent your INS/HUD datum from having errors, we stay stationary in our parking area for between 2 - 3 mins. This will allow our gyros to stabilize and set their initial state. IIRC waiting 2 mins gives 80'ish% accuracy and 3 mins will give the maximum accuracy attainable..

 

Very good points. I was not aware of these details...usually after a minute or two I would start taxing.

 

4. When taxiing to the runway keep your speed below 30Km/h on the straights and 15Km/h on the turns. The 25T is a heavy beast and will rip those tyres to shreads..

 

Indeed that is correct and I learned that out the hard way!

 

5. On take-off the craft will "pull" slightly to port until you retract your undercarriage. This is due to the drag of the nose gear which is to the left of the aircraft centreline.

 

Another good point. I always wondered why the plane drifted during takeoff eventhough the rudders were neutralized.

[SoaringEagle74]

1) Some of the demos don't work in v1.12a/b. It states which ones aren't in the demo video menus.!

2) You need to turn on the electrics before starting the engines. I think it's Shift-L? Check your key setup in the options. Also, make sure your throttle is at idle before starting the engines! Otherwise you'll be going through the startup procedure again, only after the engines have stopped spinning - and that takes time!!

3) Erm, this might just be cause when the aircraft is parked. Probably won't happen when using the flaps after the engine is started. Never had the problem of tipping over when putting the flaps down : P!

4) There was a recent thread on this, which includes a fix I think. It's on this forum somewhere.!

 

Boberro: perhaps your problem might be forgetting to start both engines? That would cause a yaw problem and cause the HUD to show a turn to the left or right? Not sure, just throwing a suggestion in there!

 

Very good points. The only part I disagree with you is that you should retract flaps entirely prior to taxing...this will aid you in keeping a relatively low throttle position because flaps add unneccessary drag. I remember in MSFS 2004 flaps were automatically up when the game was loaded.

 

Just before takeoff engage combat flaps(half down).

[SoaringEagle74]

Some things to remember when flying Su-25T, set joystick curves as a straight diagonal, when powering up from cold remember to wait 3mins for your INS to align. These and many other things are explained in the well presented manual.

 

What chapter of the LOMAC/FC manual are you referencing? Must be in later chapters because I can't find this stuff in chapter 2!

[S77th-GOYA]

because flaps add unneccessary drag.

 

What would you say the drag force would be for full flaps at 15 KPH? I would say negligible.

[S77th-konkussion]

Eagle- if you didn't know the basic startup procedure of the SU25T, then what makes you an expert on what position flaps should be in at rest? Wolverine- a very accomplished T frog driver- answered your questions.

 

Your opinion on where the flaps should be is not really relevant.

[SoaringEagle74]

Eagle- if you didn't know the basic startup procedure of the SU25T, then what makes you an expert on what position flaps should be in at rest? Wolverine- a very accomplished T frog driver- answered your questions.

 

Your opinion on where the flaps should be is not really relevant.

 

Let me decide what is relevant and what is not. True I am not an expert in the startup procedure of the SU-25T but common sense and a basic understanding of flying in both LOMAC and other flight simulators have lead me to this conclusion. I don't recall ever flying/taxiing/starting up a plane with an uneven flap configuration!

[Frostie]

I don't recall ever flying/taxiing/starting up a plane with an uneven flap configuration!

Probably because you've never flown/taxied/started a 25T before, nor had any experience with a/c that use INS for that matter.

 

I should imagine using common sense and a basic understanding of stuff that with no hydraulic power the flaps would be free moving thus represented by lomac as moved/checked for any obstruction by the pilot during a/c checks, maybe you should suggest a random position be factored into the next patch so they could appear at different positions, but they'd probably tell you this is irrelevant though.:D

[SoaringEagle74]

Some things to remember when flying Su-25T, set joystick curves as a straight diagonal, when powering up from cold remember to wait 3mins for your INS to align. These and many other things are explained in the well presented manual.

 

Quite frankly, this is getting very frustrating! If you are reffering to the Flaming Cliffs manual chapter 10(Flight School) where on gods green earth does it say wait 3 minutes for INS to align???? Are you making this stuff up or are you talking from experience????

 

Also, what the heck do you mean by "setting joystick curves to straight diagonal" and how is this different from curved? Where in Flaming Cliffs manual is this explained???? I am not being sarcastic at all its just that I can't find any of this stuff in the manual as you and others are claiming!

 

FYI, I can't even start the engines in SU-25 or SU-25T but I can in all other planes! Yes, I turn on power with <shift-L> put throttle to idle and then attempt to start engines with <ctrl-e> but I get zero response(and I have tried this a gazillion times)!!!!

 

Sorry, but I am starting to run low on patience! Maybe when I downloaded the 1.12b patch it was corrupted. Don't know what to say but I am going to start all SU-25 missions from runway until this gets resolved.:helpsmilie:

[159th_Viper]

 

2)SU-25T engines do not start with Ctrl-E during mission beginnings when aircraft is parked. I checked options/input/keyboard and the keys are mapped correctly.

 

3)SU-25T flaps are partially full down and partially combat. Specifically, the left wing flap is at full down and right wing flap is at combat position. This happens during mission beginnings when aircraft is still parked.

 

4)Fuel tanks while choosen during mission setup(payload section) are not visually displayed but are viewable after mission is loaded! I know this happens with SU-25T...not sure about other planes yet!

 

How many people are having the same probems? Do these problems occur with other planes as well or only SU-25T?

 

2 and 3: Would strongly advise you to climb onto Hyperlobby and Comms and ask a T-Frog driver to sortie with you - will expain everything Hands-On and you'll have no bother. Rest assured - No Bugs whatsoever!

 

Alternatively approach a Squad and request help/Training Flights. Personally I'll be more than happy to help - you just gotta ask and a practical approach is probably best in the circumstances. I remember the time it took me to master - sometimes can be frustrating but you'll get there. Just easier if someone is explaining as you go:)

 

As regards to 4, herewith solution:

 

Navigate to your Eagle Dynamics/LockOn/ME Folder and open the MEInit.XML file with a text editor such as Notepad.

 

Search for the following entry:

 

"Element ShapeName="PTB-800"

 

 

 

Once located, edit the entry to the following:

 

"Element ShapeName="PTB-800.lom"

 

 

 

Be sure to save the change. Should now be rectified :)

[Boberro]

SolaringEagle74 - I guess the "74" numbers are your bitrh date so I counted and my solve is 33. If you are really 33 years old man, sorry but I don't know where you born and lived all time. Hope didn't in cowshed. Even teenagers know how to behave on public place.

Secudno, other guys are more advanced than you (your trick with CTRL-E engines were very funny) so rather they have right. When I begun my travel with beautiful 25T bird I also had many questions to Su25T and all was explained to me (even if I didn't specially believed that Su25T behaves in real life that) I accepted it. Why? cause I were noob like you now. Everybody can ask but God's love ask more cultural. Volverine has mooooore advanced with 25 flying so I would like to believe him what he says. Of course Lock on has many bugs and it is not simulator (all familiar know why not) but its 25T is most advanced plane so rather it has no bugs (I say rather not NO - "bugs" like example that I cant select from which pylon I wanna fire isn't 25T "bug" - it is retard of whole game).

[SoaringEagle74]

Seriously dude, your just starting to be an asshat. If you ask for help then try to follow our suggestions. If you are not willing to learn whats the point.

 

Thanks for the compliment. I guess if someone doubts what you say then you call him/her an "asshat"? The only reason I doubted what you originally said in the second or third post was because none of the other planes had such a flap configuration and it seemed very odd to me. Sorry if I offended you!

 

http://forum.lockon.ru/showpost.php?p=67195&postcount=13

 

 

 

That took me 2 minutes to find on forum search.

 

 

Thats great but I was looking in the manual as Frostie suggested! And above all I was quoting Frostie so I don't know where you just come out of the blue and start accussing me of not listening or not searching the forumn. Yeah I didn't search the forumn because people claimed it was in the manual...so give me a break pal!

 

 

Ctrl-e would be ok if you want to eject. Not to start engines (RWin-Home). I don't usually do this but........this is one of those RTFM moments, or more specific read the C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\Eagle Dynamics\Lock On\Doc\keycommands.doc

 

Normally <ctrl-e> is eject but I deleted that particular function and remapped the keys to start both engines(a long time ago I might add). I eject through a button on the throttle! Did you know that?...instead you jump to conclusions that I am stupid or something! Also, why does <ctrl-e> work with all other planes and not su-25/t??? If I had mapped the function wrong it would not start any plane.

 

You are not the only one. :mad: But hey, I'm not the one who thinks that their "common sense" (of western systems I may add) or basic understanding of flying SFM in both LOMAC and other flight simulators can trump a real life Aeronautical engineer with understanding of numerous types of systems, over 4000+ flight hours in the Su-25T's AFM and real life time in various Private Light aircraft ranging from Cessna 152's, Piper Navajo Chieftains and Pilatus Britten-Norman Trilanders.

 

Sorry, I am not usually like this (as the old hands who know me will attest to) but even mild mannered people like me have their limits.

 

 

Good for you but that doesn't mean you should be arrogant and start calling people names just because they might disagree with you. And besides I don't profile people to know their credentials. On a side note can you please explain what AFM and SFM stand for as I am not familiar with these two acronyms?

 

I, of one am trying to help but at least try to accept that. We are not going to lie, are we?

 

I never accussed you or anyone else of lying. Its just that some people like Frostie don't choose their words carefully and end up misleading everyone. Look at the previous posts if you don't believe me!

[Frostie]

WHAT THE HELL blame me all you like I don't give a flying monkey f###.

 

My bad for stating it was in the manual cos it gives you something to chew on , I told you it takes 3mins for INS to start whether it says it in the manual or not is 'irre-f###ing-relevant' unless of course you don't believe me or just on a crusade to make yourself look smarter than what you are.

The common sense issue and the REASON why you pee'd people off is your total disregard for help, MAINLY with flap position 'not' INS.

 

In future try thanking people for their advice instead of pointing out condecending Good points and Bad points - its very irritating.

 

And before you blame me for anymore of your actions the joystick settings are actually in the 1.1 readme file.

 

And for what its worth Advanced and Standard flight models SFM/AFM.

[SoaringEagle74]

No!!! Actually its VERY relevant because I spent over 4 hrs looking for this sh.t in the manual when all I had to do was search for it in the forumn...but thanks anyway...all is good!

 

Any yeah I was arguing about the flaps and I am probably wrong. I apologize for that and I explained why I thought that way in previous post. By the way I thought options/input/keyboard was for mapping keys and joysticks...am I wrong there too??

 

Dude...forget it...thanks for your help!:thumbup::music_whistling:

[SoaringEagle74]

159th Viper,

 

Thanks for helping me fix the fuel tank issue...it worked and I appreciate it. As far as starting the su-25 and su-25t planes I managed to work out the problem by remapping the 'start both engines' function to a single key. Yeah <ctrl-e> apparently did not work as it should...very strange because it started all the other planes and even the two 'difficult ones':D on few occassions. I also had to remap other functions as a direct result but other than that no big deal.

 

 

Boberro,

 

Your right in that I overreacted in post 17 and I appologize for that. I guess confusion and frustration got the best of me. I assure you I am not a mean person...contrary to what some might think!

 

As far as your plane yawing excessively you might want to change or play around with the rudder input a bit to see if you can improve the situation. The people that said use 'straight diagonal' for all joystick input are correct and I noticed a big improvement in performance!:smilewink:

 

 

Everyone else(and especially to the '4 star generals' in this thread),

 

Perhaps you guys can be a bit more patient with inexperienced people like myself and others?...just a friendly suggestion! We are not all at the same experience level. Frostie mentioned that my excessive quoting and opinions are irritating: Sorry if it offends you and others but I was only trying to expand the conversation...IMHO a one liner post simply stating 'thank you very much sir' makes for quite a boring session!!!

 

As of now I consider this thread dead and will not respond to it anymore...including insults!

[Boberro]

Iam glad you understood your behaviour and you can admit to fault. This forum is most friendly I ever met - believe me, example in my country there is no any one friendly, good forums about Lock on..., here everybody is nice to other if only second side is also nice. Good luck with Frogfoot experience. :E