worldsurfradio Posted December 9, 2007 Posted December 9, 2007 Hi All, Just been messing about with sim again. Finally think I have instalation sorted with the computer-Hallehluhja. Looking forward to really getting into it. I really like LOMAC - find it way better than MS-FS. I'd just like to know what are the chances of their ever being an F-5 add on to the series. I' m fairly new so I dont know if the company is developing new lines for LOMAC. I realise that this is sort of a wishlist topic, but I just thought to ask. Would it be that hard I to create a commercially viable F-5 addon similar to Flaming Cliffs? I remember from another posting a while back that among the constraints for a new flyable model were no AG radar and a single seat. I understand that flyable models will not support ground search radar (saw this with a discussion about F/A 18 somewhere here) The F-5 has no Ground radar, so that is covered. The F-5A and B have no radar so AA was-like the SU-25 - IR missiles. For the sake of a reasonable post I have added a PS on the E/F and modernised varients at the end of this posting for those interested. Upgrades include helmet mounted sites. I think the F-5 would also allow for new types of missions like Photo Recon types and expand the Sims appeal. I really think it would be commercially viable - I would certainly buy it. I believe it would have broad appeal - so many countries have used it. With reference to our sims area of ops and NATO - LOMAC/FC the following countries could be in the field. Canada, Greece, Spain, Turkey,The Netherlands and Norway-especially with RNoAF recon types. Also, might be interesting to incorporate Switzerland and Austria. In addition, the plane has been used by the following nations: Bahrain,Botswana,Brazil, Ethiopia,Honduras,Indonesia,Iran,Jordan,Kenya,Libya,Malaysia,Mexico,Morocco,Paraguay, Philippines, Republic of China, South Korea,Saudi Arabia,Singapore, Vietnam,Thailand,Tunisia,Venezuela and Yemen Some of the cammo schemes - especially North Africas - would be of real interest to skinners I know there has been a skin made for the F15C plane so it looks like an F-5 but still maitains the F-15s flight characteristics. So surely by adjusting the performance of the F-15 an F-5 addon sim could be created? The F-5 characteristics are known and already in the Sim as the non-flyable F-5 are about. ======================== P.S. RADARS AND UPGRADES The F-5F was armed with Emerson AN/APQ-157 radar, which is a derivative of the AN/APQ-153 radar, with dual control and display systems to accommodate the two-men crew, and the radar has the same range of AN/APQ-153, around 10 NM The latest radar upgrade included the Emerson AN/APG-69, which was the successor of AN/APQ-159, incorporating mapping capability, most nations chose not to upgrade due to financial reasons, and the radar only saw very limited service in USAF aggressor squadrons and Swiss air force. The F-5E experienced numerous upgrades in its service life, with the most significant one being adopting a new planar array radar, Emerson AN/APQ-159 with a range of 20 NM to replace the original AN/APQ-153. Similar radar upgrades were also proposed for F-5F, with the derivative of AN/APQ-159, the AN/APQ-167, to replace the AN/APQ-157, but was never carried out. Various F-5 versions remain in service with many nations. Singapore modernized their F-5 fleet and re-designated F-5S/T. Upgrades include new GRIFO radar, updated cockpits with multi-function displays, and compatibility with the Rafael Python and AIM-120 AMRAAM. Similar programs have been carried out in Chile and Brazil. The Chilean upgrade, called the F-5 Plus, incorporated a new Elta 2032 radar and other improvements. The Brazilian program, called the F-5M and is armed with Python V coupled to the DASH helmet-mounted cue system, and new GRIFO radar, cockpit displays and navigation electronics. The Brazilian F-5M is also equipped with the Israeli Derby missile, and can operate in a BVR environment. In the Cruzex 2006 multinational war games, a Brazilian F-5 "destroyed" three French Mirage 2000 aircraft, using the Derby. The French Mirages had not detected the F-5, nor the launch of the missiles. The Brazilian F-5 was supported by an AEW&C plane, and the contact report of the French aircraft had been made by datalink to the F-5M. Another upgrade programs have been carried out in Thailand by Israel being called the F-5T Tigris, armed with Python III and 4 (with Dash helmet-mounted cue system) . Unlike other upgrade programs RTAF F-5 cannot operate with BVR
RvEYoda Posted December 9, 2007 Posted December 9, 2007 well i guess it could be interesting for a sim, but i think the will and should focus their time elsewhere. S = SPARSE(m,n) abbreviates SPARSE([],[],[],m,n,0). This generates the ultimate sparse matrix, an m-by-n all zero matrix. - Matlab help on 'sparse'
Pilotasso Posted December 9, 2007 Posted December 9, 2007 There woudnt much to be donne in an F-5 SIM since its such a limited plane... only 4 Sidwinders or 2 Iron bombs... .
S77th-konkussion Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 That's a big NOPE here. [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
Highwayman-Ed Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Mitch is currently looking into this through other means... http://sim-mod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=216 Intel i9-9900KF @5.2GHz MSI Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon 32GB G.Skill Trident Z DDR3200 RAM MSI RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio 40" Panasonic TH-40DX600U @ 4K Pimax Vision 8K Plus / Oculus Rift CV1 / HTC Vive Gametrix JetSeat with SimShaker Windows 10 64 Bit Home Edition [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 The F-5 would make a great aggressor to train again, and a bit of relief to the A-10 guys, allowing them to fly something a little faster... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Sytse Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Well, I would be interested on the F-5, but there's much more interesting stuff flying around, imho. If ED is going to make another add-on, let it be a much more interesting plane than the F-5. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Red Arrows homepage
Yeniceri Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 There woudnt much to be donne in an F-5 SIM since its such a limited plane... only 4 Sidwinders or 2 Iron bombs... I agree... [sIGPIC]http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa200/misikci/41-imza-1.jpg[/sIGPIC] "To infinity...and beyond!.." SIM-MOD Modeler TURK!
S77th-GOYA Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 I'd be more inclined to vote yes for the F-20 if it was more successful. Too bad it didn't make it against the F-16.
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 I voted "negative" because I am more interested in J-22. Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
Pilotasso Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 I'd be more inclined to vote yes for the F-20 if it was more successful. Too bad it didn't make it against the F-16. It was an interesting plane indeed however it was never intended to compete against the F-16, it was aimed more at the many F-5 users world wide (more than 20), some of wich kept buying new versions of it as they came and never got the falcon. Comparitevely very few countries bought F-16 at the time the F-20 was offered, 5 countries in europe plus Israel. Northrop continued to offer the plane through mid 80's but it was already a dead program, very few orders came through and they couldnt payback the investiment in the production line. Some documentaries pit F-16 against F-20 in prospect for sales but I think the F-20 didnt fulfill mission requirements most of the F-16 users were aiming at. .
FWT Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 No offence to the F-5 but i think that other planes should be simmed first.
SoaringEagle74 Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 I personally like old planes as much as the new ones however I don't think adding playable F-4's and F-5's to LOMAC is viable. The generation gap is a bit too big! What I would like however is to see a new game title(or series) that focuses on second(and some third generation) aircraft. I would also like to see Mig-21's, Mig-23's and Mig-27s included in that same game. Yeah probably wishfull thinking as most simmers prefer cutting edge stuff over old school.
worldsurfradio Posted December 14, 2007 Author Posted December 14, 2007 There woudnt much to be donne in an F-5 SIM since its such a limited plane... only 4 Sidwinders or 2 Iron bombs... I get what you are saying, but some of the existing upgraded F-5 types have AMRAAMs and/or Israeli BVR missiles, as well as helmet aimed short range missiles. I think an F-5 add-on would add to the game and scenarios. It would really compliment the A-10 and SU25 Anyway, I for one would be in the minority of wanting the F5
VMFA117_Poko Posted December 14, 2007 Posted December 14, 2007 I like old planes too. F-5 could be a best for training phase, learning dogfight basis without too many systems to operate. But there are so many aircrafts to sim... I wouldn't choose it in first place, second or even third. Sorry.
Pilotasso Posted December 14, 2007 Posted December 14, 2007 I get what you are saying, but some of the existing upgraded F-5 types have AMRAAMs and/or Israeli BVR missiles, as well as helmet aimed short range missiles. I think an F-5 add-on would add to the game and scenarios. It would really compliment the A-10 and SU25 Anyway, I for one would be in the minority of wanting the F5 F-5BR is completely different from Standard F-5. And it cannot carry the AMRAAM but Derby. You might as well get F-16 or 18 for that complexity of avionics modeling, for a plane that would make you have to run away from all major air threats unless you want to snkeak under them after waiting on runways, thats what its good for. .
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