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  1. 1. For the F-5

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Hi All, Just been messing about with sim again. Finally think I have instalation sorted with the computer-Hallehluhja. Looking forward to really getting into it.

 

I really like LOMAC - find it way better than MS-FS.

 

I'd just like to know what are the chances of their ever being an F-5 add on to the series.

I' m fairly new so I dont know if the company is developing new lines for LOMAC.

I realise that this is sort of a wishlist topic, but I just thought to ask.

 

Would it be that hard I to create a commercially viable F-5 addon similar to Flaming Cliffs?

 

I remember from another posting a while back that among the constraints for a new flyable model were no AG radar and a single seat.

 

I understand that flyable models will not support ground search radar (saw this with a discussion about F/A 18 somewhere here) The F-5 has no Ground radar, so that is covered.

 

The F-5A and B have no radar so AA was-like the SU-25 - IR missiles.

 

For the sake of a reasonable post I have added a PS on the E/F and modernised varients at the end of this posting for those interested. Upgrades include helmet mounted sites.

 

I think the F-5 would also allow for new types of missions like Photo Recon types and expand the Sims appeal.

 

I really think it would be commercially viable - I would certainly buy it.

 

I believe it would have broad appeal - so many countries have used it.

With reference to our sims area of ops and NATO - LOMAC/FC the following countries could be in the field. Canada, Greece, Spain, Turkey,The Netherlands and Norway-especially with RNoAF recon types.

 

Also, might be interesting to incorporate Switzerland and Austria.

 

In addition, the plane has been used by the following nations:

Bahrain,Botswana,Brazil, Ethiopia,Honduras,Indonesia,Iran,Jordan,Kenya,Libya,Malaysia,Mexico,Morocco,Paraguay, Philippines, Republic of China, South Korea,Saudi Arabia,Singapore, Vietnam,Thailand,Tunisia,Venezuela and Yemen

Some of the cammo schemes - especially North Africas - would be of real interest to skinners

 

I know there has been a skin made for the F15C plane so it looks like an F-5 but still maitains the F-15s flight characteristics.

 

So surely by adjusting the performance of the F-15 an F-5 addon sim could be created? The F-5 characteristics are known and already in the Sim as the non-flyable F-5 are about.

 

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P.S. RADARS AND UPGRADES

 

The F-5F was armed with Emerson AN/APQ-157 radar, which is a derivative of the AN/APQ-153 radar, with dual control and display systems to accommodate the two-men crew, and the radar has the same range of AN/APQ-153, around 10 NM

 

The latest radar upgrade included the Emerson AN/APG-69, which was the successor of AN/APQ-159, incorporating mapping capability, most nations chose not to upgrade due to financial reasons, and the radar only saw very limited service in USAF aggressor squadrons and Swiss air force.

 

The F-5E experienced numerous upgrades in its service life, with the most significant one being adopting a new planar array radar, Emerson AN/APQ-159 with a range of 20 NM to replace the original AN/APQ-153.

 

Similar radar upgrades were also proposed for F-5F, with the derivative of AN/APQ-159, the AN/APQ-167, to replace the AN/APQ-157, but was never carried out.

 

Various F-5 versions remain in service with many nations. Singapore modernized their F-5 fleet and re-designated F-5S/T.

Upgrades include new GRIFO radar, updated cockpits with multi-function displays, and compatibility with the Rafael Python and AIM-120 AMRAAM.

 

Similar programs have been carried out in Chile and Brazil.

The Chilean upgrade, called the F-5 Plus, incorporated a new Elta 2032 radar and other improvements.

The Brazilian program, called the F-5M and is armed with Python V coupled to the DASH helmet-mounted cue system, and new GRIFO radar, cockpit displays and navigation electronics.

 

The Brazilian F-5M is also equipped with the Israeli Derby missile, and can operate in a BVR environment.

 

In the Cruzex 2006 multinational war games, a Brazilian F-5 "destroyed" three French Mirage 2000 aircraft, using the Derby.

The French Mirages had not detected the F-5, nor the launch of the missiles.

The Brazilian F-5 was supported by an AEW&C plane, and the contact report of the French aircraft had been made by datalink to the F-5M.

 

Another upgrade programs have been carried out in Thailand by Israel being called the F-5T Tigris, armed with Python III and 4 (with Dash helmet-mounted cue system) . Unlike other upgrade programs RTAF F-5 cannot operate with BVR

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well i guess it could be interesting for a sim, but i think the will and should focus their time elsewhere.

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Mitch is currently looking into this through other means...

 

http://sim-mod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=216

 

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The F-5 would make a great aggressor to train again, and a bit of relief to the A-10 guys, allowing them to fly something a little faster...

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I voted "negative" because I am more interested in J-22.

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I'd be more inclined to vote yes for the F-20 if it was more successful. Too bad it didn't make it against the F-16.

 

It was an interesting plane indeed however it was never intended to compete against the F-16, it was aimed more at the many F-5 users world wide (more than 20), some of wich kept buying new versions of it as they came and never got the falcon. Comparitevely very few countries bought F-16 at the time the F-20 was offered, 5 countries in europe plus Israel. Northrop continued to offer the plane through mid 80's but it was already a dead program, very few orders came through and they couldnt payback the investiment in the production line. Some documentaries pit F-16 against F-20 in prospect for sales but I think the F-20 didnt fulfill mission requirements most of the F-16 users were aiming at.

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I personally like old planes as much as the new ones however I don't think adding playable F-4's and F-5's to LOMAC is viable. The generation gap is a bit too big!

 

What I would like however is to see a new game title(or series) that focuses on second(and some third generation) aircraft. I would also like to see Mig-21's, Mig-23's and Mig-27s included in that same game. Yeah probably wishfull thinking as most simmers prefer cutting edge stuff over old school.

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There woudnt much to be donne in an F-5 SIM since its such a limited plane... only 4 Sidwinders or 2 Iron bombs...

 

I get what you are saying, but some of the existing upgraded F-5 types have AMRAAMs and/or Israeli BVR missiles, as well as helmet aimed short range missiles.

 

I think an F-5 add-on would add to the game and scenarios.

It would really compliment the A-10 and SU25

 

Anyway, I for one would be in the minority of wanting the F5

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I like old planes too. F-5 could be a best for training phase, learning dogfight basis without too many systems to operate. But there are so many aircrafts to sim... I wouldn't choose it in first place, second or even third. Sorry.

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I get what you are saying, but some of the existing upgraded F-5 types have AMRAAMs and/or Israeli BVR missiles, as well as helmet aimed short range missiles.

 

I think an F-5 add-on would add to the game and scenarios.

It would really compliment the A-10 and SU25

 

Anyway, I for one would be in the minority of wanting the F5

 

F-5BR is completely different from Standard F-5. And it cannot carry the AMRAAM but Derby. You might as well get F-16 or 18 for that complexity of avionics modeling, for a plane that would make you have to run away from all major air threats unless you want to snkeak under them after waiting on runways, thats what its good for.

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