Ironwulf Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 https://australianaviation.com.au/2015/10/additional-bol-countermeasure-dispensers-for-raaf-hornets/
Stubbies2003 Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Apparently time to beat a dead horse. To quote WAGs from an EA post: "Note that this is all very much subject to change for our mid-2000s F/A-18C USN Hornet." Note in the statement that the aircraft we are flying is based on a mid 2000s USN hornet. Not a RAAF hornet with a system delivered in 2016.
CypherS Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 Apparently time to beat a dead horse. To quote WAGs from an EA post: "Note that this is all very much subject to change for our mid-2000s F/A-18C USN Hornet." Note in the statement that the aircraft we are flying is based on a mid 2000s USN hornet. Not a RAAF hornet with a system delivered in 2016. Mid-200s USN Hornet's didn't use Litening pods:dunno:
Stubbies2003 Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Mid-200s USN Hornet's didn't use Litening pods:dunno: I think the justification for the pods was Marines using them on their hornets and the Marines aren't a separate service but a sub set of the Navy.
Cab Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 I think the justification for the pods was Marines using them on their hornets and the Marines aren't a separate service but a sub set of the Navy. Oh my...
Stubbies2003 Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Oh my... These are facts. Doesn't matter if someone doesn't like the facts.
Cab Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 These are facts. Doesn't matter if someone doesn't like the facts. I see. Replace “Service” with “Department” and you’d be correct. The Marines are a part of the Dept of the Navy, and subordinate to it’s civilian leadership to be sure, but they are in no way subordinate to the Navy’s military leadership. The Navy and Marine Corps are co-equal branches of the US military. It’s a fine distinction that many people confuse so don’t be hard on yourself. :thumbup:
Ironwulf Posted April 23, 2020 Author Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) The cheek mounted litening pod was however put in DCS for NON USN/USMC Hornets - RAAF, Spain, etc. https://www.airforce-technology.com/uncategorised/newssaab-to-deliver-bol-pods-to-australias-fa-18ab-hornet-4697189/ "In 2008, Australia acquired BOL for the F/A-18A/B Hornets of the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF). The new order is aimed at increasing the RAAF’s operational capability." These hornets had been upgraded to essentially C standard, starting in 1999 ED bends their rules frequently, and if you don't ask, you don't get. Edited April 23, 2020 by Ironwulf
Stubbies2003 Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 I see. Replace “Service” with “Department” and you’d be correct. The Marines are a part of the Dept of the Navy, and subordinate to it’s civilian leadership to be sure, but they are in no way subordinate to the Navy’s military leadership. The Navy and Marine Corps are co-equal branches of the US military. It’s a fine distinction that many people confuse so don’t be hard on yourself. :thumbup: Yeah at what point did I say they were subordinate to the Navy? I said they were a sub set of the Navy. If you want to pick nits then sure department. That doesn't address the whole point that was being discussed in the first place.
Stubbies2003 Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 The cheek mounted litening pod was however put in DCS for NON USN/USMC Hornets - RAAF, Spain, etc. https://www.airforce-technology.com/uncategorised/newssaab-to-deliver-bol-pods-to-australias-fa-18ab-hornet-4697189/ "In 2008, Australia acquired BOL for the F/A-18A/B Hornets of the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF). The new order is aimed at increasing the RAAF’s operational capability." These hornets had been upgraded to essentially C standard, starting in 1999 ED bends their rules frequently, and if you don't ask, you don't get. Well if you are going to ask to get then since the EF-2000 is incoming I'm not sure why we wouldn't ask for an E model.
RentedAndDented Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Well if you are going to ask to get then since the EF-2000 is incoming I'm not sure why we wouldn't ask for an E model. I've seen it mounted on RAAF Hornets several times, always on the centreline. Anecdotal yes, but I've never seen a cheek mount used. And, I am not military so maybe I wouldn't know, just saying.
Ironwulf Posted April 23, 2020 Author Posted April 23, 2020 Well if you are going to ask to get then since the EF-2000 is incoming I'm not sure why we wouldn't ask for an E model. Actually I asked for D (AW) model. Has a higher chance of success... plus people grovelling for an E or F model has been done to death.
Ironwulf Posted April 23, 2020 Author Posted April 23, 2020 I've seen it mounted on RAAF Hornets several times, always on the centreline. Anecdotal yes, but I've never seen a cheek mount used. And, I am not military so maybe I wouldn't know, just saying. There is a discussion about it here. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=230937
Ironwulf Posted April 23, 2020 Author Posted April 23, 2020 I've seen it mounted on RAAF Hornets several times, always on the centreline. Anecdotal yes, but I've never seen a cheek mount used. And, I am not military so maybe I wouldn't know, just saying. http://asian-defence-news.blogspot.com/2015/10/northrop-grumman-to-continue-logistics.html
Cab Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Yeah at what point did I say they were subordinate to the Navy? I said they were a sub set of the Navy. If you want to pick nits then sure department. That doesn't address the whole point that was being discussed in the first place. As you conveniently edit the original statement, "Marines aren't a separate service but a sub set of the Navy." That can only be correctly interpreted one way regardless how you meant it, and that one way is factually wrong. I was merely making what I considered a cheeky observation. You are a rude and obnoxious person but I don't wish to highjack this thread, so try to have a great day. Out.
Stubbies2003 Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 As you conveniently edit the original statement, "Marines aren't a separate service but a sub set of the Navy." That can only be correctly interpreted one way regardless how you meant it, and that one way is factually wrong. I didn't edit anything about this statement thanks. No different than when the USAF wasn't a separate service but was a sub set of the Army. You just choose to act like using the term "service" is completely wrong and "department" is correct. Fine I don't care about the semantics of it. We both understand what it meant. You chose to interpret it differently. I was merely making what I considered a cheeky observation. With a snide remark about how this difference of interpretation made you "right" and me "wrong" so yeah whatever. You are a rude and obnoxious person but I don't wish to highjack this thread, so try to have a great day. Out. Your opinion and you are entitled to it.
ST0RM Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 Then they should probably remove the non-US skins from the default skins then. Ya know, since it's a 2000 US Navy Hornet.
jamie_c Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 Like many parts of the HUG mods to the F/A-18A, there's no public documentation on how those dispensers are integrated into the RAAF Hornet, any implementation would be pure assumption and they'd no longer be able to call it an F/A-18C on the store page. It would be the same as asking for the AIM-132 and no one is doing that.
Ironwulf Posted May 4, 2020 Author Posted May 4, 2020 Like many parts of the HUG mods to the F/A-18A, there's no public documentation on how those dispensers are integrated into the RAAF Hornet, any implementation would be pure assumption and they'd no longer be able to call it an F/A-18C on the store page. It would be the same as asking for the AIM-132 and no one is doing that. Well one would think it'd simply use the 'other' options in the countermeasures programs. https://saab.com/globalassets/publications-pdfs/eds/electronic-warfare-ew/bol_f-18_product_sheet.pdf
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