ACLS

[G B]

Jesus, how old are you guys.

Production team write down is quoted 'autopilot' was said to the admiral.

There is no 'auto' at your 8:20 min PBS link.

Anyone who can hear 'auto' at 8min20 I send him a bagel. Pffff

 

If you hear “coupled” at 8:20 then I send you a baker’s dozen.

[Swift.]

Mr Bossman Lawyer Sir, how about you lay out your evidence that explicitly says he used ACLS for that landing. So far we have an experience naval pilot and LSO saying it wasnt a coupled landing, and one 'Lawyer' saying it was. I know who I put my money behind, so unless you can do your 'Lawyer' thing and provide actual evidence, then I suggest you take your loss and move on.

[G B]

Hey it is possible that the footage was edited and that wasn’t the ball call from that pass. And it’s possible he did a Mode 1 out of limits due to being in extremis. And it’s possible the PBS crew knew it and wrote it down. I just personally hadnt heard it. If that’s the case, then I humbly apologize.

[majapahit]

If you hear “coupled” at 8:20 then I send you a baker’s dozen.

That's deflection, you came up with 'auto' that is not there.

If you're an LSO, then you should know whether pilots are disallowed to turn on ACLS in bad weather CASE III, per NATOPS preferably, where NATOPS only distinguishes 'extreme weather' as cold/icing.

 

Then again your ' .. HOWEVER, if there are quotes and actual discussions that Fravor says he did a Mode 1, then you win. I can't and won't argue that .. '

 

would indicate it is not disallowed perse per anyone's knowledge, which would mean it's either up to the pilot or up to the boat chief c.s at Nimitz in 2005, and perhaps whether the ACLS is manned in this weather (of course?), and we would not know unless we know, do we now.

[majapahit]

Hey it is possible that the footage was edited and that wasn’t the ball call from that pass. And it’s possible he did a Mode 1 out of limits due to being in extremis. And it’s possible the PBS crew knew it and wrote it down. I just personally hadnt heard it. If that’s the case, then I humbly apologize.

No hard feeling. At all.

[G B]

That's deflection, you came up with 'auto' that is not there.

If you're an LSO, then you should know whether pilots are disallowed to turn on ACLS in bad weather CASE III, per NATOPS preferably, where NATOPS only distinguishes 'extreme weather' as cold/icing.

 

Then again your ' .. HOWEVER, if there are quotes and actual discussions that Fravor says he did a Mode 1, then you win. I can't and won't argue that .. '

 

would indicate it is not disallowed perse per anyone's knowledge, which would mean it's either up to the pilot or up to the boat chief c.s at Nimitz in 2005, and perhaps whether the ACLS is manned in this weather (of course?), and we would not know unless we know, do we now.

 

My “However” quote was in reference to the fact that while disallowed, a pilot in extremis can deviate from the rules. It is most certainly not allowed. He would be deliberately violating it (specifically, the violation is using a Mode 1 during pitching deck movement out of limits).

 

ACLS is always on during Case 3 unless it’s broken. Normally a pilot flies a Mode 2, which means the ACLS Provides guidance in the HUD but the pilot manually flies the guidance (with or without autothrottles)

 

A pilot can fly a Mode 1 and the jet will autoland, hands off from the pilot. If this procedure is performed, the word “coupled” is added to the ball call.

 

In general ACLS, is used every Case 3...nothing special about extreme weather as you described as far as ACLS being on or not. However, there are limits as far as pitching deck. Again, there are deck motion limits. If those limits are exceeded (as they definitely were in that extreme pitching deck), a Mode 1 cannot be performed.

 

Finally, if you view the PLAT, you’ll notice on the left side of the screen that the MOVLAS was in use. That is used by the LSOs to manually control the position of the ball. When that is used during pitching deck, pilots land themselves; not with a Mode 1.

 

It seems you’re not familiar with all of this information. Hopefully, you learned something new.

[majapahit]

My “However” quote was in reference to the fact that while disallowed, a pilot in extremis can deviate from the rules. It is most certainly not allowed. He would be deliberately violating it (specifically, the violation is using a Mode 1 during pitching deck movement out of limits).

 

ACLS is always on during Case 3 unless it’s broken. Normally a pilot flies a Mode 2, which means the ACLS Provides guidance in the HUD but the pilot manually flies the guidance (with or without autothrottles)

 

A pilot can fly a Mode 1 and the jet will autoland, hands off from the pilot. If this procedure is performed, the word “coupled” is added to the ball call.

 

In general ACLS, is used every Case 3...nothing special about extreme weather as you described as far as ACLS being on or not. However, there are limits as far as pitching deck. Again, there are deck motion limits. If those limits are exceeded (as they definitely were in that extreme pitching deck), a Mode 1 cannot be performed.

 

Finally, if you view the PLAT, you’ll notice on the left side of the screen that the MOVLAS was in use. That is used by the LSOs to manually control the position of the ball. When that is used during pitching deck, pilots land themselves; not with a Mode 1.

 

It seems you’re not familiar with all of this information. Hopefully, you learned something new.

Well thank you.

 

It could be considered that a. Frazor used ACLS because he thought 'let's see if this even works', or b. after a few hours of manhandling the MOVLAS in this crazy whether, the LSO got quite the hang of it and eased Frazor in with his MOVLAS now perfectly attuned.

In that case the LSO get's the bagel, and Frazor was kidding.

[Lex Talionis]

Kangaroo Court adjourned

[maxTRX]

Setting the PBS flick aside. This ACLS thing... I know it's a reliable system but if I had to sit there and watch the jet following some data link, any little bump and I'd grab the stick in a heartbeat :joystick:

Edit: I'll check the book later but I sort of remember someone saying that you can simply follow the tadpole (needles) w/o coupling?

Edited May 17, 2020 by Gripes323

[majapahit]

Kangaroo Court adjourned

Did I ask you for anything mr. no one flies NATOPS.

[Raisuli]

b. There is no radio 'auto" heard in the landing scene

 

 

At 52:26 in CATCC

 

"Going to send your mojo to skipper Fravor?"

"Man, he don't need it"

"Huh"

"He don't need it...he don't need any mojo"

 

 

52:29

 

Voice Over (Fravor's voice [and the last aircraft up])

 

1-0-2 rhino ball 7-5 auto

Fravor: "I always get an eerie feeling when I'm the last guy..."

 

 

I thought I remembered that call, so I pulled up the episode. Unquestionably "auto" and not "coupled".

 

 

As for the rest of the argument, couldn't care less, but this part of it made me question my memory and I had to check.

 

 

<edit>

I know the YouBoob versions of pitching decks is edited, so I pulled one up. They went from JarJar thinking paddles to Fravor's "I always get an eerie feeling" line, and cut out the CATCC mojo scene and Fravor's ball call. There's another ball call in the background when they discuss whether or not he's going around; that was a 1-0-7 rhino ball 5-2 with no auto mentioned.

 

</edit>

Edited May 17, 2020 by Raisuli

[Lex Talionis]

Did I ask you for anything mr. no one flies NATOPS.

 

 

(whu ? ... NATOPS ? must be the weekend )

 

:thumbup:

Edited May 17, 2020 by Lex Talionis

[majapahit]

At 52:26 i

Voice Over (Fravor's voice [and the last aircraft up])

1-0-2 rhino ball 7-5 auto

Pff, then GB would be right (I don't hear it), I rather have DCS figured out ACLS. That Frazor was rumored to be an a excellent pilot everyone figured that out already I guess.

[Raisuli]

Pff, then GB would be right (I don't hear it), I rather have DCS figured out ACLS. That Frazor was rumored to be an a excellent pilot everyone figured that out already I guess.

 

 

If you're watching YouTube those are edited, and I put the changes above. I used the Amazon Prime version of the episode.

 

 

Either way, hard to tell for sure the way the episode (all episodes) are non-linearly edited.

[G B]

Pff, then GB would be right (I don't hear it), I rather have DCS figured out ACLS. That Frazor was rumored to be an a excellent pilot everyone figured that out already I guess.

 

I KNEW I heard an “Auto” in there somewhere. Now I know why I couldn’t find it. That video was edited. The original video had it.

 

I don’t know why you argued this so fiercely, but I am glad it is finally put to rest.