announced DCS MiG-29A

[Ronin_Gaijin]

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Slovakian 9.12A

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Daily MiG-29
Hungarian 9.12A 9.12B

Edited December 12, 2024 by Ronin_Gaijin

[foxbat155]

Hungarian aircrafts were 9.12B model.

[Ronin_Gaijin]

1 hour ago, foxbat155 said:

Hungarian aircrafts were 9.12B model.

Edited December 5, 2024 by Ronin_Gaijin

[Ronin_Gaijin]

Yesterday was the 85th anniversary of OKB MiG
Some of us celebrated the event with a short flight.
2x Мары and 2x Стрижи (early) flying 9.12s.

Also attached: Photo of the prototype in the Soviet Air Force Museum at Monino.

Edited December 9, 2024 by Ronin_Gaijin

[foxbat155]

On 12/5/2024 at 9:09 PM, Ronin_Gaijin said:

Well, Hungarian Air Force called them MiG-29B (9.12B).....Yefim Gordon, although great publisher, made many small mistakes in his books.

[okopanja]

4 minutes ago, foxbat155 said:

Well, Hungarian Air Force called them MiG-29B (9.12B).....Yefim Gordon, although great publisher, made many small mistakes in his books.

This is the easy one:

• Warsaw Pact was disbanded on July 1st 1991
• Hungary got their Mig-29 in 1993

Hence Hungary was eligible for 9.12b.

[Ronin_Gaijin]

10 minutes ago, foxbat155 said:

Well, Hungarian Air Force called them MiG-29B (9.12B).....Yefim Gordon, although great publisher, made many small mistakes in his books.

Source?

[foxbat155]

Hungarian Wikipedia:

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyar_Légierő

Hungarian air shows always describes those aircrafts as a 29B:

Photo portals described them as a 29B aswell:

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/11160372

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Hungary-Air-Force/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29B/5250897/L?qsp=eJxtjbEOwjAMRP/FcxbUFoVsdGGEgR%2BwHAORShvZHlpV/XdCKjGxnd473a1A02g8233JDAGUUegFDjIKvhXCCpiEBB/Woybaa953nfuJC48s/xWEpvXtyYFOYv1SDiIan4k4G0fY%2BVUiy1exUn1%2Blp1DCSy3mqE5Fh6T5gHrBhumAbbtA/fsPro%3D

https://www.planephotos.net/photo/18859/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29B_18/....

[Ronin_Gaijin]

21 hours ago, foxbat155 said:

Hungarian Wikipedia:

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyar_Légierő

Hungarian air shows always describes those aircrafts as a 29B:

Photo portals described them as a 29B aswell:

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/11160372

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Hungary-Air-Force/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29B/5250897/L?qsp=eJxtjbEOwjAMRP/FcxbUFoVsdGGEgR%2BwHAORShvZHlpV/XdCKjGxnd473a1A02g8233JDAGUUegFDjIKvhXCCpiEBB/Woybaa953nfuJC48s/xWEpvXtyYFOYv1SDiIan4k4G0fY%2BVUiy1exUn1%2Blp1DCSy3mqE5Fh6T5gHrBhumAbbtA/fsPro%3D

https://www.planephotos.net/photo/18859/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29B_18/....
 

Thank you for providing these, but wikipedia and photographers are not valid sources.
You would have said the same if I came back with these.
Any Hungarian pilots describing their jet regarding the IFF and the radar modes?
Any Soviet sources (authors, OKB MiG officials) saying that they were 9.12Bs?

Edited December 10, 2024 by Ronin_Gaijin

[Ronin_Gaijin]

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[foxbat155]

23 hours ago, Ronin_Gaijin said:

Thank you for providing these, but wikipedia and photographers are not valid sources.
You would have said the same if I came back with these.
Any Hungarian pilots describing their jet regarding the IFF and the radar modes?
Any Soviet sources (authors, OKB MiG officials) saying that they were 9.12Bs?

Like I written before, HuAF were called those aircrafts officially MiG-29B, do you think they were doing this for joke?
Here official page of Hungarian Armed Forces:

https://honvedelem.hu/hatter/multidezo/in-memoriam-racz-zsolt.html

Repulomuzeum Szolnok, official HuAF museum (in the middle of the page):

https://www.repulomuzeum.hu/Tikuldtetek/BartaEndre/BE_katasztr/BE_katasztr.htm

For me this is enough evidence. About IFF, Hungarian aircrafts have oridinary old SRZO-2M system what is typical for this export variant (MiG-29B), original Warsaw Pact MiG-29A aircrafts have mix of Parol/SRO-2 systems, similar to early Soviet MiG-29's. This is easy to recognize: beside KOLS sensor you have triple SRO-2 antenna, under fuselage between A-037 radalt antennas you have triangle orange (or very rare green) Parol system antenna.

[Ronin_Gaijin]

6 hours ago, foxbat155 said:

Like I written before, HuAF were called those aircrafts officially MiG-29B, do you think they were doing this for joke?
Here official page of Hungarian Armed Forces:

https://honvedelem.hu/hatter/multidezo/in-memoriam-racz-zsolt.html

Repulomuzeum Szolnok, official HuAF museum (in the middle of the page):

https://www.repulomuzeum.hu/Tikuldtetek/BartaEndre/BE_katasztr/BE_katasztr.htm

For me this is enough evidence. About IFF, Hungarian aircrafts have ordinary old SRZO-2M system what is typical for this export variant (MiG-29B), original Warsaw Pact MiG-29A aircrafts have mix of Parol/SRO-2 systems, similar to early Soviet MiG-29's. This is easy to recognize: beside KOLS sensor you have triple SRO-2 antenna, under fuselage between A-037 radalt antennas you have triangle orange (or very rare green) Parol system antenna.

You were correct and I was wrong.
For some reason it did not occur to me to look at the photos of each and compare the IFF systems externally.
Thank you.
Image:
On the left is a Soviet 9.12 and to the right is Hungarian 9.12B.

P.S. MiG-29A never existed. 

Edited December 12, 2024 by Ronin_Gaijin

[foxbat155]

19 hours ago, Ronin_Gaijin said:

You were correct and I was wrong.

That's ok, please keep in mind, that my intention wasn't lecture you.

 

20 hours ago, Ronin_Gaijin said:

P.S. MiG-29A never existed.

Yes, you right, kind of mental shortcut.

[Ronin_Gaijin]

5 hours ago, foxbat155 said:

That's ok, please keep in mind, that my intention wasn't lecture you.

Don't worry.
You helped me right a wrong.

Here is a daily MiG-29
Slovakian 9.12A (S)

[SAM77]

Where my FF MiG29? Anyone got gossip? Something, anything, make it up if you have to.

Edited December 14, 2024 by SAM77

[AeriaGloria]

ED, I’m sure a lot of people would love it if you created a n optional MiG-29A 9.12S with the newer C-101/102 computer for R-77 use and 14% more range, along with 2 degree more AOA. That way you wouldn’t have to make a new cockpit and external model like you would for 9.13S, a just a few files changes for loadout/radar/flight control

[Ronin_Gaijin]

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[pjbunnyru]

then what do we get? if in map Iraq teaser there was mig29 ff, there are three antenas, then we get 9-12b?

[Ronin_Gaijin]

5 hours ago, pjbunnyru said:

then what do we get? if in map Iraq teaser there was mig29 ff, there are three antenas, then we get 9-12b?

3 antennas on top in front of the canopy is correct.

Edited December 16, 2024 by Ronin_Gaijin

[Seaeagle]

7 hours ago, pjbunnyru said:

then what do we get? if in map Iraq teaser there was mig29 ff, there are three antenas, then we get 9-12b?

No in their announcement, ED very clearly spcified it as the 9.12 variant exported to Warsaw Pact countries - i.e. 9.12A.

As Foxbat155 said, this variant has the triple pin antenna beside KOLS and a triangular orange antenna(for "Parol" IFF) on the underside of the fuselage, while the 9.12b has the triple antenna in both places.

[Seaeagle]

On the subject of IFF check out this cockpit photo of a Hungarian 9.12b..

Edited December 16, 2024 by Seaeagle

[Ronin_Gaijin]

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