Aligning AB detent and Throttle Calibration (How to)

[MustangSally]

31 minutes ago, mkel2010 said:

So I set the AB to just come on in the game then went out to SimApp Pro to get the value of the RX axis at the time, which was 12303. I divided that by 65535 to get the approximately 18 percent. What should it be?

Calculate 1-(Rx / 65535) .....you can use Ry

1-(12303/65535) = .812 - 81%

[Gpruitt54]

I am waiting for my Orion2 throttle to arrive.  I did not buy the finger lift kit.  I am coming from the Warthog which has an idle stop built-in.  Is anyone aware of a simple idle stop tab 3D print component that will lock out the idle on the Orion2?

[mkel2010]

3 hours ago, Gpruitt54 said:

I am waiting for my Orion2 throttle to arrive.  I did not buy the finger lift kit.  I am coming from the Warthog which has an idle stop built-in.  Is anyone aware of a simple idle stop tab 3D print component that will lock out the idle on the Orion2?

Here's a bunch of 3d print models related to the Winwing Orion 2. If it were me, I'd just bite the bullet and buy the finger lift kit.

https://www.yeggi.com/q/winwing+orion+2/

[MustangSally]

You should have purchased the fingerlift kit if you needed detents.

[fjbermejillo]

Maybe stupid question but are these two round grey things supposed to be buttons associated to the A/B? Is it possible to turn them on? Another not so stupid question, in planes with OFF/IGN/IDLE how you configure your throttle detents?

Thanks!

 

[Aronis]

I must have done something wrong, I plugged in the throttle and the Off position and AB were dead balls on. LOL.  Lucky I guess.

Now the rest of the buttons had to be programed. 

I am working on overlays for the switches so I can relabel some for what I want.  (Battery off, Gen, Engine)  Auto start stop, since I have brake on the Take off panel.

Mike

[too-cool]

On 7/18/2024 at 6:59 PM, MustangSally said:

You should have purchased the fingerlift kit if you needed detents.

Do you know of any templates for the Super Taurus start up base that can be placed on the throttle base and written on to create profile labels you want? Thanks

[Aronis]

read thread again, had to set the Idle switches, works great, just working on the quirkiness of the knob for the TGP zoom and Antena elevation.  more reading on that.... great forum.

 

Mike

[Shai-Nomos]

I had a similar problem already posted in this topic when the afterburn ratio always stays on some default value. For me, it's ~10.5k Rx/Ry value (~83%). I thought SimAppPro has some bug and without a proper explanation of what exactly these settings do, ppl can't understand what result they should have and why they don't get any changes in DCS. The problem was in incorrect afterburner calibration. Don't read what's written in the app. Calibrate it from IDLE to your physical detent, no further!

Edited November 5, 2024 by Shai-Nomos

[MustangSally]

45 minutes ago, Shai-Nomos said:

I had a similar problem already posted in this topic when the afterburn ratio always stays on some default value. For me, it's ~10.5k Rx/Ry value (~83%). I thought SimAppPro has some bug and without a proper explanation of what exactly these settings do, ppl can't understand what result they should have and why they don't get any changes in DCS. The problem was in incorrect afterburner calibration. Don't read what's written in the app. Calibrate it from IDLE to your physical detent, no further!

 

It's all in the first post if you bother to read it!

Edited November 5, 2024 by MustangSally

[Blackhawk163]

For some reasons the maths just didn’t work out for me

1- (13660/66535) Gave me a number of 0.794694522 which I set as 79% 

Cans would light up slightly prematurely or at detent. Went +/- 2 no dice.

alt tab all the way to check back and forth. 

I settled on 70%  even though the AB detects stayed within the original calculations. So far that’s the magic number for all aircraft too. Lucky that I don’t need to setup multiple aircraft I guess? 

[sinistar]

Hey there - recent F16 and Orion purchase, and this guide was a great resource for calibrating the AB.

 

One question - I notice if I look in-cockpit at the throttle animation, the throttle will lift as it is moved forward. I assume this is the first part of going into AB?

The guide refers to looking at the back of the jet in external view to determine when you have enabled AB, but I'm actually not sure when the AB is considered "lit". At one point, the inner portion of the engine begins to glow, and then with further advance the characteristic flames start. 

I notice that the lifting of the throttle in the cockpit (animation) seems to correspond to the initial glow in the engine.

 

I guess the TL;DR of this: as I currently have things calibrated, the in-cockit animation of the throttle does it's "lift" before my WinWing hits the MIL/AB detent. Perhaps I should back that down a bit?

[Blackhawk163]

As soon as I push past MIL power detent is when my animation shows the lift, not before.

[MustangSally]

3 hours ago, Blackhawk163 said:

As soon as I push past MIL power detent is when my animation shows the lift, not 

Reverse the axis in DCS

[Blackhawk163]

4 hours ago, MustangSally said:

Reverse the axis in DCS

I think you misread me. Mine is working as intended as soon as I push past the last detent (forward) the animation shows the throttle lift and into AB. The person above me stated that theirs starts happening just before that detent. 

[MustangSally]

55 minutes ago, Blackhawk163 said:

I think you misread me. Mine is working as intended as soon as I push past the last detent (forward) the animation shows the throttle lift and into AB. The person above me stated that theirs starts happening just before that detent. 

Then calibrate it

[Corsac]

Hey, I'm trying to follow that but something looks wrong on my end.

I've calibrated the throttle, SimAppPro is running and I'm launched on a mission with the F/A-18C. I've enabled the controls indicator (RCtrl+Enter) so I can see the logical detent DCS is using.

When pushing the throttle:

• the DCS logical detent is reached at ~73% (and burner is activated)
• the physical detent on the O2 throttle is reached at ~82%

I've tried to "set the afterburner ratio" to 73% in SimAppPro but no dice, the logical detent in DCS is always reached before I get to the physical detent. I've also tried to set the AB ratio to 82% just in case but it doesn't change anything either.

I've tried to restart DCS and SAP between attempts but it doesn't change anything either.

I'm confused because it seems I'm doing things as OP intended but it doesn't work at all so I guess I'm doing something wrong but I have no idea what to check. I've also asked on Discord but no answer yet.

[Blackhawk163]

On 1/31/2025 at 8:41 AM, MustangSally said:

Then calibrate it

Tell that to them 

[Corsac]

On 2/16/2025 at 6:10 PM, Corsac said:

Hey, I'm trying to follow that but something looks wrong on my end.

I've calibrated the throttle, SimAppPro is running and I'm launched on a mission with the F/A-18C. I've enabled the controls indicator (RCtrl+Enter) so I can see the logical detent DCS is using.

When pushing the throttle:

• the DCS logical detent is reached at ~73% (and burner is activated)
• the physical detent on the O2 throttle is reached at ~82%

I've tried to "set the afterburner ratio" to 73% in SimAppPro but no dice, the logical detent in DCS is always reached before I get to the physical detent. I've also tried to set the AB ratio to 82% just in case but it doesn't change anything either.

I've tried to restart DCS and SAP between attempts but it doesn't change anything either.

I'm confused because it seems I'm doing things as OP intended but it doesn't work at all so I guess I'm doing something wrong but I have no idea what to check. I've also asked on Discord but no answer yet.

Followup: it was me messing up and because the instructions aren't all that clear. The problem was in the calibration steps indeed.

What I needed to do is:

• calibrate RX (then RY) from IDLE (excluded) to MAX
• then "calibrate afterburner" from IDLE (excluded) to MIL

And after that you can set the AB ratio.

[MustangSally]

5 hours ago, Corsac said:

Followup: it was me messing up and because the instructions aren't all that clear. The problem was in the calibration steps indeed.

What I needed to do is:

• calibrate RX (then RY) from IDLE (excluded) to MAX
• then "calibrate afterburner" from IDLE (excluded) to MIL

And after that you can set the AB ratio.

It's very clear!

I gather you didn't bother reading post No1?

 

* Throttle is calibrated from idle through the A/B detent to max

* Afterburner is calibrated from idle to the A/B detent

 

Edited February 26 by MustangSally

[Corsac]

On 2/26/2025 at 1:28 PM, MustangSally said:

It's very clear!

I gather you didn't bother reading post No1?

 

* Throttle is calibrated from idle through the A/B detent to max

* Afterburner is calibrated from idle to the A/B detent

 

I guess so. At least not the last time.

[Mtnman]

I hate to bring this up again but this seems to be one of those very simple things only after you do it once.  I have calibrated multiple times. Both with the throttles split and with them together.  I did read the first post multiple times...I think.    Everything in simmapp appears to be correct.  BUT  my AB still comes on just a few mm from the detent.  I have changed the percentage from 70-100 and nothing changes in game. If I understand correctly and you were to set the percentage too low the AB would come on too early, if you set it too high it would come on too late and after the detent.  I feel like even though I am activating the change in simmapp its not translating to dcs.

I see it the numbers change on the simmapp test page so I know its working but dcs wont get with the program.  WTF am I missing.

[Blackhawk163]

On 3/4/2025 at 3:22 PM, Mtnman said:

I hate to bring this up again but this seems to be one of those very simple things only after you do it once.  I have calibrated multiple times. Both with the throttles split and with them together.  I did read the first post multiple times...I think.    Everything in simmapp appears to be correct.  BUT  my AB still comes on just a few mm from the detent.  I have changed the percentage from 70-100 and nothing changes in game. If I understand correctly and you were to set the percentage too low the AB would come on too early, if you set it too high it would come on too late and after the detent.  I feel like even though I am activating the change in simmapp its not translating to dcs.

I see it the numbers change on the simmapp test page so I know its working but dcs wont get with the program.  WTF am I missing.

Fine tune it in the control settings within DCS. I adjusted the Y value saturation a bit. In fact I just did that instead of messing with the ratio within simapp and did this to any module that has an issue.