buddy lazing - being the dropping aircraft

[sublime]

pls dont direct me to chucks guide. I read it. dont direct me to youtube, I chcked

using jtacs, 'navy seals' other planes, however, how do you drop buddy lazed gbus in SP and MP?

In SP I tried, with targets lazed in Earnest Will. The bombs had to be dropped CCRP, which I hate. still I tried and set them nose fuze, dropped one at a time. CCRPd the oil derrick. the bombs DID NOT track.

Others have said the mode doesnt matter, just drop and theyll track. this hasnt been my experience

so first

in SP step by step what do you do?

second in MP , as the RIO , do you set the bombs to manual? I can use the lantirn, but Im talking buddy lazing ,do you set the bomb switch to manual? does it matter? ive been told it doesnt matter..

[draconus]

Same mission last night: 10k feet, AG mode, Jester select GBUs (weapon selector down on the stick), CCRP, Master Arm, Designate target, Fly straight and level toward the drop line holding the weapon release button until drop... wait... hit. Did they track? How do I know? Mission says it was a kill.

[sublime]

hmm ok.

What am I doing wrong then. Ill send you a track if you want... bizarre. #1 didnt track I watched it. #2 hit but didnt track. it went flying like a f***ing amraam and hit the top of the Oil rig and actally damaged me somehow!

no I wasnt that low at first

I wasnt sure if to pickle on or both at the same time

so since it works for you;; and you explained CCRP, what about buddy drop. you dont need to do *ANYTHING*?

I mean Im no ace but my last campaign (hunters over the yalu) I flew no redos, no deaths. Havent had any deaths or failures this campaign.. until now.

[sublime]

while we're at it can u get the carrier to talk?

i goto 127.5 and it WILL not answer. NOR will the tanker on its channel

[draconus]

while we're at it can u get the carrier to talk?

i goto 127.5 and it WILL not answer. NOR will the tanker on its channel

Yes, both were fine. I play SC version. Make sure you use the right radios and right PTT keys. Check kneeboard and briefing for the channels and freqs. Make sure no easy comms option is selected.

 

I dropped a pair as it was supposed to be one pass (but the first one didn't trigger my CCRP, shh ;)

 

For the laser, there's also 7 min time frame, so if you mess around instead of take off and flight the right path you may be missing it.

 

Also I don't go to Jester seat - I use Jester menu only.

 

There's also main thread for this campaign FYI:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=277736

 

What do you mean buddy drop?

Edited September 23, 2020 by draconus

[QuiGon]

Delivery mode doesn't matter for laser guidance. Just drop the bomb in any mode you like. If the seeker of the bomb gets a line of sight to the laser, then it will guide on it.

 

I recommend to play the mission "Watch the Devildogs" for dropping LGBs like that ;)

[sublime]

Yes, both were fine. I play SC version. Make sure you use the right radios and right PTT keys. Check kneeboard and briefing for the channels and freqs. Make sure no easy comms option is selected.

 

I dropped a pair as it was supposed to be one pass (but the first one didn't trigger my CCRP, shh ;)

 

For the laser, there's also 7 min time frame, so if you mess around instead of take off and flight the right path you may be missing it.

 

Also I don't go to Jester seat - I use Jester menu only.

 

There's also main thread for this campaign FYI:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=277736

 

What do you mean buddy drop?

 

I mean buddy drop as in another plane lazing and youre in the plane dropping.

I use SC too. Look no offense but Im no n00b. I fly rio online in a squad and play this module every day frm day 1. I know what radios can reach or not reach. Im using the right freaks. I even checked the freaks in ME. easy comms is OFF. I dont get it and have tracks, NO REPLY NO MISSIONS.

I go to jester seat only to turn on the LINK 4 IFF - he DOESNT if you leave him alone!!

also I know the lazers were there for sure. how? NVG. I could see the beams etc. I could see the targets. THat wasnt the prob. I coulda dumb bombed them to oblivion. The prob was the bombs wouldnt track.

Ok it doesnt say drop them as a pair in a pass. While we're on it Ive had terrible luck dropping multiple GBUs in the F14. its gotten me and my stick killed before or the bbombs WONT track.

[sublime]

Delivery mode doesn't matter for laser guidance. Just drop the bomb in any mode you like. If the seeker of the bomb gets a line of sight to the laser, then it will guide on it.

 

I recommend to play the mission "Watch the Devildogs" for dropping LGBs like that ;)

 

the one quickie I havent tried.

The Mission in qestion demands you use CCRP. Id rather not, I hate using it, but it says use CCRP for the campaign (so it looks like a flyover not dive bomb)

Ive gotten buddy lazing to work with a JTAC in the JF17 but never experimented otherwise

[QuiGon]

the one quickie I havent tried.

The Mission in qestion demands you use CCRP. Id rather not, I hate using it, but it says use CCRP for the campaign (so it looks like a flyover not dive bomb)

Ive gotten buddy lazing to work with a JTAC in the JF17 but never experimented otherwise

You can just ignore that and use CCIP. Works just as well.

 

I go to jester seat only to turn on the LINK 4 IFF - he DOESNT if you leave him alone!!

Sorry, but that doesn't sound like you're really familar with the F-14 as Link 4 has nothing to do with your IFF system. Link 4 is the data link system and you can tell Jester to use it.

Edited September 24, 2020 by QuiGon

[draconus]

Sorry, but that doesn't sound like you're really familar with the F-14 as Link 4 has nothing to do with your IFF system. Link 4 is the data link system and you can tell Jester to use it.

Probably meant that DL contacts can be already IFF'ed by the host.

[sublime]

You can just ignore that and use CCIP. Works just as well.

 

 

Sorry, but that doesn't sound like you're really familar with the F-14 as Link 4 has nothing to do with your IFF system. Link 4 is the data link system and you can tell Jester to use it.

 

Im familiar with the F14, ive been flying the module a year and have actually touched one, and seen one do a sonic boom. I got the pix to prove it. Do you? Have you ever been on a nuclear powered carrier? I got to for a day. and see F14s fly and touch them. A6s and F18s too. SH60 as well. Blah blah blah. (point is its rude to tell people they dont know anything about something when.. you dont know *at all* what they know)

I was unfamiliar with every knob in the RIO seat and told by my stick it was important for IFF and so did so.

Regardless, even if you tell Jester to tune (A 7 4 - pick host yes I know about it, I explained in the OP im not a n00b)

 

Just saying you come across pretty rude, I was very thorough in explaining my problem, my experience, etc. Just because I was wrong about one buttons function means Im not really familiar with the F14? LMAO ok :music_whistling:

But Ill leave you with this. how close have you been to operational F14s then? Because unless you were a pilot or aircrew jumping on me and saying 'i dont know about the plane' because I got link 4 mixed up is crazy

[draconus]

Dude, relax, you may have touched the Tomcat once and all the wisdom flew through you, but you ask a lot of basic questions, you have problems with basic systems, don't be mad that people jump to conclusions. No reason to brag, just ask the question, get answers and thank. No need to call names.

[IronMike]

Wow wow wow guys, whats happening here? Bunch of cool Tomcat dudes talking and getting all riled up quick? tsk tsk tsk... :-D

 

Be nice to each other guys, everyone here wants to help. Everyone knows something and something not... ;-)

 

 

One thing that hasn't been asked to get back on topic: are you sure your laser code is set correctly? It must be set on the ground.

 

Also, if all that is set up as supposed to, the delivery might be off. The zone to drop em in, is in general fairly large, but not that large. So if you go a couple of hundred feet in either direction, you might just leave the cone in which the bomb will pick up the laser.

[sublime]

Alright I apologize. I know draconus actually served and I didnt but Im not clueless on the tomcat ajd I took offense. The gentleman in question first of all

Mucho respect to him for msging me and apologizing

I can come across abrasive. Im just blunt. I will apologize when wrong. 2nd going on a dependent sday cruise isnt bragging. Theres real pilots here. I was just angry and took offense at the idea i didnt have the slightest idea of wtf i was doing.

[sublime]

You can just ignore that and use CCIP. Works just as well.

 

 

Sorry, but that doesn't sound like you're really familar with the F-14 as Link 4 has nothing to do with your IFF system. Link 4 is the data link system and you can tell Jester to use it.

 

Hey first

Much respect for reaching out and being a total gentleman. I know i come acriss a certain bway hutnif you do talk to me you realize im just reallllly blunt. If youre american youll know my states ppl are known ass m@ssholes for a reason.

2nd youre right BUT i got a track - tell jester to datalink. Then jump to his seat. The switch remains OFF.

[sublime]

I apologize qui non and draconus.

What may seem basic to some isnt always. Its not like we all went tonthe same flying school. So some features some people like me who have flown since release just.. never used. Others may be aves in SP but I bet cant use the RIO seat Z *at all* and thats ok. But i just took offense at what zi felt was getting towards mocking - see I flowed chucks guide and did tests. Nothing. I looked online.. go search youtube. Reapers video is being the laser not the dropper. And so on. I think it mqy be the mission or idk what. Ive always had trouble with CCRP

That said - im gonna open a thread on another "basic subject" again you guys can rest assured i know how to use the radios or theoretically according to manual chucks guide etc etc

Edited September 26, 2020 by sublime

[QuiGon]

Hey first

Much respect for reaching out and being a total gentleman. I know i come acriss a certain bway hutnif you do talk to me you realize im just reallllly blunt. If youre american youll know my states ppl are known ass m@ssholes for a reason.

No worries, I sometimes get such reactions on internet forums, as I'm a pretty straight forward person and sometimes people take it the wrong way when I address stuff directly. It's all good :)

 

2nd youre right BUT i got a track - tell jester to datalink. Then jump to his seat. The switch remains OFF.

That's odd indeed. I don't really have any experience with Jester as I usually prefer to occupy the backseat myself. I just know there is the option to tell Jester to a activate the DL, but I don't know how he reacts to that :dunno:

[sublime]

No worries, I sometimes get such reactions on internet forums, as I'm a pretty straight forward person and sometimes people take it the wrong way when I address stuff directly. It's all good :)

 

 

That's odd indeed. I don't really have any experience with Jester as I usually prefer to occupy the backseat myself. I just know there is the option to tell Jester to a activate the DL, but I don't know how he reacts to that :dunno:

 

I got the lase to work this time. and CCRP lol

but I got vertigo (and a call from my son) and crashed and rage quit. lmao

 

seriously its easy to test next time ur sp tell jester to DL ANYTHING and give him 10 seconds

jump to seat 2

link 4 is OFF.

weird right?

on subject one also part of the issue is internet we cant infer tone... thatd go a long way in understand if someones being friendly

[draconus]

Mike, nothing's happening here, move along :)

Sublime, I play SP (means with Jester) almost exlusively and QuiGon is experienced MP RIO. You can't go wrong with that mix :)

I never ever go into the back seat as I don't need to unless I want to play that role for fun and I suggest not to do it when taking on SP mission. I know the DL works fine if you tell Jester to choose the host - that's it. Let him do his work and focus on your job. btw: the mission in question has the trigger set for 2 bombs of GBU-10 kind in specific zone. Apparently it works with GBU-16 dropped in pair too. Never tried dropping single there. Laser is already set correctly for your flight.

[lbellouny]

For GBUs, you need to have the fuse set to nose/tail, otherwise the fins for guidance will not be powered when you drop.

[draconus]

For GBUs, you need to have the fuse set to nose/tail, otherwise the fins for guidance will not be powered when you drop.

But Jester does set it correctly for the selected weapon. No need to ask.

[sublime]

For GBUs, you need to have the fuse set to nose/tail, otherwise the fins for guidance will not be powered when you drop.

 

I do that every time anyways... im afraidnyoure incorrect tho. Goto the back seat. Theyre electrically fuzed. The m manual fuze is a backup for gbus

[sublime]

Draconusbwhat makes thisbweird is i have mp tracks where me and my sticknand trying awacs in turns and sometimes he.d get answers but not me