WelshZeCorgi Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 I've only checked this on the F-14, can't remember to check on other aircraft. But the weight does not seem to change when changing the loadout of the chaff/flares or completely emptying the dispensers.
Bailey Posted November 22, 2020 Posted November 22, 2020 I have noticed this too on anywhere from half a dozen to a dozen different aircraft. I think the weight of the countermeasure should be taken into account. DCS VoiceAttack Profiles | My Mods and Utilities on ED User Files | DiCE: DCS Integrated Countermeasure Editor DCS Update Witching Utility | DCS-ExportScripts for Stream Deck Community Github Library | Kiowa Integrated Overlays
Hawkeye_UK Posted November 23, 2020 Posted November 23, 2020 Are you aware of the actual weight of chaff, say in relation to the fuel it requires to power one minute of flight with AB? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DCS & BMS F4E | F14B | AV-8B | F15E | F18C | F16C | F5E | F86 | A10C | JF17 | Viggen |M2000 | F1 | L-39 | C101 | Mig15 | Mig21 | Mig29 | SU27 | SU33 | F15C | AH64 | MI8 | Mi24 | Huey | KA50 | Gazelle | CH47 | OH58D | P47 | P51 | BF109 | FW190A/D | Spitfire | Mossie | CA | Persian Gulf | Nevada | Normandy | Channel | Syria | South Atlantic | Sinai | Kola | Afgan | Iraq Liquid Cooled ROG 690 13700K @ 5.9Ghz | RTX3090 FTW Ultra | 64GB DDR4 3600 MHz | 2x2TB SSD m2 Samsung 980/990 | Pimax Crystal/Reverb G2 | MFG Crosswinds | Virpil T50/CM3 | Winwing & Cougar MFD's | Buddyfox UFC | Winwing TOP & CP | Jetseat
Hawkeye_UK Posted November 23, 2020 Posted November 23, 2020 As in circa 150g for chaff and 200g per cartridge for a flare, the point is it becomes pointless in relation to the overall mass and its effect is basically unmeasurable. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DCS & BMS F4E | F14B | AV-8B | F15E | F18C | F16C | F5E | F86 | A10C | JF17 | Viggen |M2000 | F1 | L-39 | C101 | Mig15 | Mig21 | Mig29 | SU27 | SU33 | F15C | AH64 | MI8 | Mi24 | Huey | KA50 | Gazelle | CH47 | OH58D | P47 | P51 | BF109 | FW190A/D | Spitfire | Mossie | CA | Persian Gulf | Nevada | Normandy | Channel | Syria | South Atlantic | Sinai | Kola | Afgan | Iraq Liquid Cooled ROG 690 13700K @ 5.9Ghz | RTX3090 FTW Ultra | 64GB DDR4 3600 MHz | 2x2TB SSD m2 Samsung 980/990 | Pimax Crystal/Reverb G2 | MFG Crosswinds | Virpil T50/CM3 | Winwing & Cougar MFD's | Buddyfox UFC | Winwing TOP & CP | Jetseat
Bailey Posted November 24, 2020 Posted November 24, 2020 As in circa 150g for chaff and 200g per cartridge for a flare, the point is it becomes pointless in relation to the overall mass and its effect is basically unmeasurable. I 100% disagree that it is pointless. If the IRL pilots account for it in their weight and balance, there must be a point. DCS VoiceAttack Profiles | My Mods and Utilities on ED User Files | DiCE: DCS Integrated Countermeasure Editor DCS Update Witching Utility | DCS-ExportScripts for Stream Deck Community Github Library | Kiowa Integrated Overlays
nighthawk2174 Posted November 24, 2020 Posted November 24, 2020 I 100% disagree that it is pointless. If the IRL pilots account for it in their weight and balance, there must be a point. in a jet that weighs say 75,000 lbs (F14 max takeoff weight) +- 15-20lbs is utterly pointless in simulating its not worth the effort.
Hawkeye_UK Posted November 24, 2020 Posted November 24, 2020 I 100% disagree that it is pointless. If the IRL pilots account for it in their weight and balance, there must be a point. Nope its pointless, a bit like they dont weigh themselves before every flight or their sandwiches, or how much water they have taken in etc. Trust me your barking up thr wrong tree on this one. It's all about scale and the fact of the matter is it would be a waste of ED dev time to attempt such a thing, as you the player would not even be able to tell. Same as in real life. The things that matter are Fuel, Stores, Temperature and wind. Trust me no one on the fly when working out fuel balance will take into account the CM's dispensed and thus what mass has been lost, just doesn't happen. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DCS & BMS F4E | F14B | AV-8B | F15E | F18C | F16C | F5E | F86 | A10C | JF17 | Viggen |M2000 | F1 | L-39 | C101 | Mig15 | Mig21 | Mig29 | SU27 | SU33 | F15C | AH64 | MI8 | Mi24 | Huey | KA50 | Gazelle | CH47 | OH58D | P47 | P51 | BF109 | FW190A/D | Spitfire | Mossie | CA | Persian Gulf | Nevada | Normandy | Channel | Syria | South Atlantic | Sinai | Kola | Afgan | Iraq Liquid Cooled ROG 690 13700K @ 5.9Ghz | RTX3090 FTW Ultra | 64GB DDR4 3600 MHz | 2x2TB SSD m2 Samsung 980/990 | Pimax Crystal/Reverb G2 | MFG Crosswinds | Virpil T50/CM3 | Winwing & Cougar MFD's | Buddyfox UFC | Winwing TOP & CP | Jetseat
Bailey Posted November 24, 2020 Posted November 24, 2020 Nope its pointless, a bit like they dont weigh themselves before every flight or their sandwiches, or how much water they have taken in etc. Trust me your barking up thr wrong tree on this one. It's all about scale and the fact of the matter is it would be a waste of ED dev time to attempt such a thing, as you the player would not even be able to tell. Same as in real life. The things that matter are Fuel, Stores, Temperature and wind. Trust me no one on the fly when working out fuel balance will take into account the CM's dispensed and thus what mass has been lost, just doesn't happen. I don’t understand why I should “trust” you. Maybe some insight would help. But, I do agree that Dev Time can be spent in a more effective way elsewhere. DCS VoiceAttack Profiles | My Mods and Utilities on ED User Files | DiCE: DCS Integrated Countermeasure Editor DCS Update Witching Utility | DCS-ExportScripts for Stream Deck Community Github Library | Kiowa Integrated Overlays
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