WW2 Damage Model Questions

[sublime]

1. Does the damage model extend to Korean planes? Sabre, Mig 15?

2. Is it planned to extend to modern?

[Nirvi]

1. Only WW2 planes have the new DM yet.

2. Yes, but no ETA yet

[twistking]

@Nirvi do you know if the more recent modern modules (16, 18, a-10c II ) were already developed with new DM in mind? so, is it only a question of wiring it all up and tuning it correctly, or does it have to built up from scratch? trying to figure out, if we're talking 2021 or 2025...

[sublime]

1. Only WW2 planes have the new DM yet.

2. Yes, but no ETA yet

 

thanks

your first answer makes no sense to me sir though

I asked if it extends to korean planes. not in the future but now, i mean seeing as they use cannon and mgs that ww2 planes use.

you say yes, 'but only ww2 planes'

so its not yes, its no, the DM only counts to ww2 planes period.

they plan to extend it apparently, but its ONLY ww2 planes rn. correct?

I only have the p51, and I cant get DCE to work with it, soooo .... I do have the f86 and hunters over the yalu is superb. i was hoping to fly that. I guess not though. thanks

[unknown]

sublime said:

 

thanks

your first answer makes no sense to me sir though

I asked if it extends to korean planes. not in the future but now, i mean seeing as they use cannon and mgs that ww2 planes use.

you say yes, 'but only ww2 planes'

so its not yes, its no, the DM only counts to ww2 planes period.

they plan to extend it apparently, but its ONLY ww2 planes rn. correct?

I only have the p51, and I cant get DCE to work with it, soooo .... I do have the f86 and hunters over the yalu is superb. i was hoping to fly that. I guess not though. thanks

 

What are you talking about? I don't understand you: Your questions were clearly answered

 

You: 1. Does the damage model extend to Korean planes? Sabre, Mig 15?

Answer: 1. Only WW2 planes have the new DM yet.

 

He never said yes So obvious no, only WW2 planes atm.

 

You: 2. Is it planned to extend to modern?

Answer: 2. Yes, but no ETA yet

 

So Sabre, Mig15 and anything else will get it in the next xx years.

 

EDIT: I'm just confused by your confusion about the answers   

Edited December 5, 2020 by unknown

[sublime]

lol because he didnt just say 'no' and because the sabre and mig15 are VERY close, and only use the WW2 weapons, it left room for doubt... you see where Im coming from? The cannons in both are also used in WW2 planes and both revolve around gun damage. so I thought perhaps since he didnt say NO to my specific question, i thought *perhaps* he didnt know or something regarding the sabre/mig 15. lets face it, a mig15 taking m3 .50 cal fire is really utilizing the same DM physics something getting hit awith a p51 wouuld

 

[erniedaoage]

You haven't read anything about the development of the new damage model in the last 4 years it seems. First the sabre and mig are pretty "old" modules which both could need a cockpit upgrade, which they will hopefully get when they also implement everything for the new DM. The DM is all about damage on the plane and not about the weapons which are used. Which part of the plane gets damaged, which systems are affected, could be the airframe, loss of some controls, or internal damage on oilpump, engine, anything. Since all WW2 warbirds are prop planes (sofar and i think the me262 will come when the mig and sabre get the dmg model) and their systems are similar to each other, where there is quite a difference to a jetfighter. It will come for all aircraft, vehicles and ships but time will tell how long it's gonna take.

[sublime]

You haven't read anything about the development of the new damage model in the last 4 years it seems. First the sabre and mig are pretty "old" modules which both could need a cockpit upgrade, which they will hopefully get when they also implement everything for the new DM. The DM is all about damage on the plane and not about the weapons which are used. Which part of the plane gets damaged, which systems are affected, could be the airframe, loss of some controls, or internal damage on oilpump, engine, anything. Since all WW2 warbirds are prop planes (sofar and i think the me262 will come when the mig and sabre get the dmg model) and their systems are similar to each other, where there is quite a difference to a jetfighter. It will come for all aircraft, vehicles and ships but time will tell how long it's gonna take.

 

no i havent read anything about it is that a crime or something?

i guess the systems are similar.. though then again Id say theres a fairly radical difference between radial and inline propeller engines.

[Art-J]

Bottom line is, damage model overhaul in DCS has little to do with guns, but it's nearly all about modelling internal stuff of each airplane all over from scratch, with structural elements, systems and details instead of old damage system with sections of the airframe being treated like big empty hitboxes, that just had to be hit X times to be considered "killed".

 

Only WWII birds have been re-built that way for now. We've been told others are planned to follow in some unspecified future, but if warbirds took about 3 years, don't hold your breath for getting the rest redone anytime soon.

[sublime]

Bottom line is, damage model overhaul in DCS has little to do with guns, but it's nearly all about modelling internal stuff of each airplane all over from scratch, with structural elements, systems and details instead of old damage system with sections of the airframe being treated like big empty hitboxes, that just had to be hit X times to be considered "killed".

 

Only WWII birds have been re-built that way for now. We've been told others are planned to follow in some unspecified future, but if warbirds took about 3 years, don't hold your breath for getting the rest redone anytime soon.

 

yeah I figured that out from the recent posts. It just seemed to me that the guns modelled, and the damage they inflict, if its available to ww2 planes, korea is sooo close .... I figured itd be the same. a mig 15 or f86 or me262 is probably closer to a ww2 plane than it is a f14 or whatever.

its moot though - it only applies to ww2 planes period.

unfortunately Ive seen tests done and yes the hitbox thing is true. I wish I HADNT seen the tests, done extensively on ground units which made it clear theyre very much HP based.

as far as holding my breath... Ive been around way too long for that nonsense. I mean, jesus, they announced the AH1 and F4 phantom what, 5 years ago? never happening.

multicrew? took years for some helos, never for others. its made me very wary of my purchases, I regret 1 map, and especially regret also a couple of airframes (helos)

[AlexeyObraztsov]

Modeling of  internal stuff of an airplane will give a lot to damage model. even it takes long time it worths it

[M1Combat]

Wow.

[Dragon1-1]

Do note that it wasn't just the warbirds that took those three years, coding the damage model was also done at that time. With this out of the way, modern planes might follow more quickly.

 

Like, say, in two years...