Flyby Posted June 25, 2008 Posted June 25, 2008 4870 on the Tech Report I'm sure more reviews will sping out today. the 4870 is here! http://techreport.com:80/articles.x/14990 Flyby out The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
Pilotasso Posted June 25, 2008 Posted June 25, 2008 Yeah I payed almost 400 Euro on mine, now these are half the price!!! :cry: .
Flyby Posted June 29, 2008 Posted June 29, 2008 Yeah, BABY!!! here's a very good article on the new ATi cards. Notice that the 4870 is extremely competitive with the Nvidia GTX-260. Great performance and costing $100.00 USD less! I guess I can plan on an Intel chipset, using the GPU pricing difference to help finance an X-38 chipset. http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUyNCwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0 Slightly ot: what's the leanest system I can build component-wise? 1- Power supply 2- Mobo 3- hdd 4- ram 5- cpu + cooler 6- dvd/cd-RW 7- gpu 8- OS anything else? I can always add components later, but I need to go streamlined for now. Flyby out The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
Flyby Posted June 29, 2008 Posted June 29, 2008 rgrt Acedy thanks for the reply. I actually have a legacy floppy drive, a 160gb hdd that's never been formatted, plus a cd-rom, and a pata (?) dvd/cd rw unit. Only the cd and the floppy have been used. The other components sat waiting for a new mobo for a P4 2.8 cpu. I have WinXP home edition upgrade, plus Windows ME!!!:eek: Anyway I need ME to install the WinXP upgrade as it will look for a file which is on the ME disk. I have a nice case which has three fans. So I guess I'm set; just have to pencil in the partuclars. thanks for the reply. Flyby out The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
zokier Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 so will 4850/9800gtx finally be able to run lockon nicely, with 1680x1050 resolution and 4x AA? and dcs:bs too? maybe I should upgrade... although I'm not quite sure if I'm currently CPU or GPU bound. atm having Pentium e2140 and radeon x1800XT(or something), and having lousy performance :( What about nVidia vs ATi? Which performs better in lomac? 9800GTX+ and HD4850 have similar prices and performance in other games, but what about lockon? :helpsmilie:
Flyby Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 zokier, imho... When I had a BFG 6800 Ultra LO/FC ran pretty well, and it's no match for the newer GPUs you mention. I don't know what your e2140 is clocked at, but if it's a dual core clocked at 3.0ghz or higher, either card should be just fine at the rez you mention. ATi has seemingly fixed that old AA buggaboo it had with earlier cards, and has the best value/performance cards out there. The 4850 goes for a little less than the 9800gtx (see the link I've added) but if you're going with a single card solution, and have an Nvidia chipset on your mobo I'd go with the Nvidia card. Otherwise I might recommend the ATi 4870 if you can afford that card. It really is the best proce/performace value card out there now, imho. now for the link: http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=559&card2=566 Of course you can select any two cars to compare. page down a bit and you'll see pricing too. Flyby out ps LO/FC is like most modern aerial combat sims, including those on the horizon; usually cpu bound even when mated with a modern gpu. Again, I understand the "fix" is a dual core cpu clocked at 3.0 ghz and along with that modern gpu. The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
hitman Posted July 23, 2008 Posted July 23, 2008 so will 4850/9800gtx finally be able to run lockon nicely, with 1680x1050 resolution and 4x AA? and dcs:bs too? maybe I should upgrade... although I'm not quite sure if I'm currently CPU or GPU bound. atm having Pentium e2140 and radeon x1800XT(or something), and having lousy performance :( What about nVidia vs ATi? Which performs better in lomac? 9800GTX+ and HD4850 have similar prices and performance in other games, but what about lockon? :helpsmilie: My 9600Gt's run LOMAC in high settings and 8x AA and 8x AF. I get an average of 30fps anywhere I go in the map...more so if I lower my settings to medium. I can live with my 30fps.
-sulan- Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 That new ATI-4870 looks like a bargain!(?) :) Any educated guesses as to how much juice your PSU would need for one of those?
Kuky Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 I think they are talking around 500-550W min for system with single HD4870 PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
VMFA117_Poko Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 Yeah, 550W is enough. New Radeons eat much less power than previous models. I've got two HD4850 in CrossFire wich go with C2D E8500 and 4GB RAM on 600W PSU - no problem with it so far.
Pilotasso Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 what was your FPS icnrease over your last card? (wich was?). .
-sulan- Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 Thx guys!! :thumbup: That makes me very happy since I can then use my current PSU :) I read a couple of those reviews, seams like a very good value cards the 4850 and 70.. Allthough, over here I could get a (640mhz, 896mb) gtx 260 for only 40 euro's more than the 512mb 4870.. hm... decisions.. decisions.. What do you think?
stealthtemplates Posted August 7, 2008 Posted August 7, 2008 Well since the HD4870 performs 10%-15% better then the GTX260 you may as well get that, not to mention the superior image quality that ATI cards have. Alternativly the non-reference HD4870 cards will arrive within the month with the "Super RV770" overclocked version of the HD4870 1
-sulan- Posted August 7, 2008 Posted August 7, 2008 Oh, did'nt realise that.. Then ATI it is :) Last ATI I had was a Radeon 9800.. That was a great card!!
Pilotasso Posted August 7, 2008 Posted August 7, 2008 Still have that card i my sis PC, its been 5 years and still purrin like a kitten :) .
qrazi Posted August 7, 2008 Posted August 7, 2008 Well since the HD4870 performs 10%-15% better then the GTX260 you may as well get that, not to mention the superior image quality that ATI cards have. Alternativly the non-reference HD4870 cards will arrive within the month with the "Super RV770" overclocked version of the HD4870 Funny, most reviews I read put the performance of the HD 4870 at around 5% less then the GTX 260. Which at before the price cuts made the HD 4870 the better card. But right now prices are getting pretty close, and making the decision indeed a lot harder. Personally I would still go for the Radeon, but that is because ever since nVidia chewed up 3Dfx, I have a grudge against nVidia... Call me stupid... There are ofcourse also more reasonable considerations. AMD/Ati is now actively supporting open-source driver development, and the new AA mode actually works quiet good. On top of that the Radeon uses less energy under load then the GeForce GTX 260. MSI 870A-G54, AMD Phenom II X2 555 @Phenom II X4 B55 BE, 3.2 GHz quad-core, Asus EAH4870 DK/HTDI/512MD5, OCZ Gold Edition DDR3 1333MHz 4GB Kit Low-Voltage. Budget = Cheap = Good :D
stealthtemplates Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 Nope its on average over 10% faster :) You might have been reading some biased reviews. Good thing about the AA is you can max it out and performance is barley effected, in some cases only 1-2fps. Heres a trusted review of the HD4870: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=1
Pilotasso Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 Have you guys noticed how much faster the GX2 is? And its price? .
stealthtemplates Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 The 9800GX2 suffers from microstuttering, not to mention the heat, power etc. that it produces. Its also nicer to have a single card solution then a dual card when its at a similar price.
qrazi Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 Nope its on average over 10% faster :) You might have been reading some biased reviews. Good thing about the AA is you can max it out and performance is barley effected, in some cases only 1-2fps. Heres a trusted review of the HD4870: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=1 I stand corrected, you are right. In fact, all the other review in my comparison database say the same as well... MSI 870A-G54, AMD Phenom II X2 555 @Phenom II X4 B55 BE, 3.2 GHz quad-core, Asus EAH4870 DK/HTDI/512MD5, OCZ Gold Edition DDR3 1333MHz 4GB Kit Low-Voltage. Budget = Cheap = Good :D
Pilotasso Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 (edited) The 9800GX2 suffers from microstuttering, not to mention the heat, power etc. that it produces. Its also nicer to have a single card solution then a dual card when its at a similar price. Only SLI/crossfire with 2 actual cards suffer from micro stutering. This is a single card, no stutering, if you look at power drain, it draws less power than the 280. They both require an 8 pin connector. But the Gx2 costs half the price and beats the 280 in many benchmarks. I could not resist. :D Edited August 8, 2008 by Pilotasso .
qrazi Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 Only SLI/crossfire with 2 actual cards suffer from micro stuttering. This is a single card, no stuttering, if you look at power drain, it draws less power than the 280. Are you sure about that? Because with both normal SLI/Crossfire and single board solutions, the communication between the two GPU's goes over a PCI Express connection. And although the single board should have a shorter connection physically, in practice it shouldn't differ so much as to have stutter in two seperate boards, but not on a single board. I have no experience with SLI besides my old 3Dfx Voodoo5 5500 (sigh... memories), but I like to think I'm well read into the subject... :) MSI 870A-G54, AMD Phenom II X2 555 @Phenom II X4 B55 BE, 3.2 GHz quad-core, Asus EAH4870 DK/HTDI/512MD5, OCZ Gold Edition DDR3 1333MHz 4GB Kit Low-Voltage. Budget = Cheap = Good :D
qrazi Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 The Radeon HD 4870X2 is rumored to have that kind of communication between cores, however, we will have to wait for the first actual reviews before we know anything for sure. AFR (alternate frame rendering) isn't the only method however to process frames in multi-GPU solutions. Check Wikipedia for instance. Iirc, 3Dfx SLI would actually used to let each chip (not actually GPU yet) render alternate scan lines. MSI 870A-G54, AMD Phenom II X2 555 @Phenom II X4 B55 BE, 3.2 GHz quad-core, Asus EAH4870 DK/HTDI/512MD5, OCZ Gold Edition DDR3 1333MHz 4GB Kit Low-Voltage. Budget = Cheap = Good :D
Kuky Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Anyone know if possibly ATI Tray tools have some tweak to choose what type of frame rendering work in CF? PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
stealthtemplates Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Nah it doesnt matter if its 2 seperate cards or 2 GPU's on 1 PCB, it still suffers from microstuttering. Both the 9800GX2 and HD3870X2 suffered from this issue. The HD4870X2 has fixed the microstuttering issues however.
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