Grid Coordinates for Russia

[shake307]

I am playing the Spring Tension campaign and am about 10 missions in.  I do not have a good grasp on understanding Russian grid coordinates.  What is "89-73" or "53-46".  I think I understand the first two digits are grid square, but I have no clue how to interpret the second two digits.  Also, that particular grid reference only seems to work with the "Russian" maps, not with most kneeboard or the F10 maps.  Unless I am missing something.  Any help is appreciated.

[MAXsenna]

I am playing the Spring Tension campaign and am about 10 missions in.  I do not have a good grasp on understanding Russian grid coordinates.  What is "89-73" or "53-46".  I think I understand the first two digits are grid square, but I have no clue how to interpret the second two digits.  Also, that particular grid reference only seems to work with the "Russian" maps, not with most kneeboard or the F10 maps.  Unless I am missing something.  Any help is appreciated.

Go into the folder
"drive:\DCS-installation"\mods\aircraft\Mi-8MTV2\missions\campaigns\
And you will find a general map file with the the correct implementation of the grid/coordinates. It's the only way. Been a while since I played it and can't quite remember how to use it. But if you search the forum, you will find an explanation on how to use it, if you don't understand it immediately. IIRC you take the grid number and find the quadrant on the map, then use the numbers in that quadrant so to speak.
Hope this helps!
Cheers!


Edit: Yes, use the map, and find quadrant 89 or 53. Then use the other numbers. I believe x then y.

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[admiki]

@shake307are you using MGRS method?

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Indeed, I couldn't make head or tails of it either. And the annoying part is, is that it's not your job to figure it out: you have a navigator on board for a reason. There should have been scripts in that campaign where your navigator calls out X km at ABC degrees, so you can enter it into the doppler navigation equipment.

 

What I ended up doing is just flying to the general area where I though I had to fly to, and then looking out the window and see if I could spot anything that previous voiceovers were talking about, such as the battle in the abandoned village, or the crashed Mi-28, ...

By the way, the same map that's in the missions\campaigns folder is also in your kneeboard. Not that it helped...

[MAXsenna]

I believe these missions where you use the map is just to make it a little different from the doppler.
It's actually very easy.
Take 89-73 The first two numbers are the the 89 "rectangle", on the map. 7 are the x coordinates in that "rectangle", and the 3 are the y. Then you make a line from the 7 on the x where it intersects with the 3 on the y.
I'm on my phone, else I would make a screen capture with both locations.
Cheers!

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[admiki]

@MAXsennaare you describing MGRS method? If so, what you wrote is not correct.89-73 means it's grid 87, with 9x and 3y

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

22 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Take 89-73 The first two numbers are the the 89 "rectangle", on the map. 7 are the x coordinates in that "rectangle", and the 3 are the y. Then you make a line from the 7 on the x where it intersects with the 3 on the y.

See, that's what I thought as well, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Best I can tell, it's the other way around: 7 = Y and 3 = X. But even then, referencing that tiny kneeboard map that's often incomplete versus the F10 map or what you actually see outside, is a bit of a nightmare at best.

[MAXsenna]

@MAXsennaare you describing MGRS method? If so, what you wrote is not correct.89-73 means it's grid 87, with 9x and 3y

I haven't played that mission in long time. So I might have mixed it up.
Thanks!

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[admiki]

18 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

I haven't played that mission in long time. So I might have mixed it up.
Thanks!

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I had a look at those maps. If they use MGRS what I said stands. But now I'm not sure it's that. So, you might be correct after all

[MAXsenna]

I had a look at those maps. If they use MGRS what I said stands. But now I'm not sure it's that. So, you might be correct after all

Hehe
Quite honestly, when I flew those two missions, I had to find the solution here, in another thread. The way to use the map anyway.

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[admiki]

@MAXsennacan you point me to it?

[MAXsenna]

@MAXsennacan you point me to it?

Sure, just have to look it up again.
Hold on...

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[MAXsenna]

24 minutes ago, admiki said:

@MAXsennacan you point me to it?

 

 

 

 

You're right. I remembered incorrectly.

First double digits is the grid, then its y and then x.

Hope this helps!

 

Edited January 24, 2021 by MAXsenna
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[shake307]

Okay, will look into this more.  I just figured the Russian MGRS as significantly different than American, and was trying to mash the two philosophies together.  I guess I just forgot how much the two nations tried to do everything so different, sometimes out of spite.

[LeVince]

It looks like the "COMMON GEOGRAPHIC REFERENCE SYSTEM (CGRS)".

Easy system to quickly transmit coordinates or setup killboxes, holding areas etc...

[admiki]

Looking at that map it looks to me that Russians tried to scramble their coordinates without actually doing any scrambling. Unless you had that particular map, all that you could hear is worthless to you due to grid sectors being transposed

[shake307]

21 hours ago, admiki said:

Looking at that map it looks to me that Russians tried to scramble their coordinates without actually doing any scrambling. Unless you had that particular map, all that you could hear is worthless to you due to grid sectors being transposed

That is actually a good reason for the weird way the Russiand did it.