S-5 rockets

[NeedzWD40]

I'm certain it's come up before, but I haven't seen it mentioned specifically yet:

 

I'd like to see the S-5 rockets and UB-32 launchers available with the Mi-24P. I realize that these are not used by the Russian Air Force today, but the weapon is prevalent in historical conflicts so it'd be nice to have the option when simulating historical scenarios.

[Avimimus]

For depicting export aircraft as well! Apparently the reason why the UPK-23-250 isn't planned isn't that the Mi-24P can't use them, but rather that they have only been used by other airforces.

[jib]

I am not really sure why you would want S-5 rockets as they were rubbish in real live :

 

"S-5 rockets were used extensively by Sukhoi Su-25 and Mil Mi-24 aircraft in Afghanistan in the 1980s, where their effectiveness was considered poor. Pilots described the rockets fanning out after launch "like a tulip", and that the warhead was only good for "tickling the dookhi's (mujahedeen) heels". The Russian forces have shifted to higher-calibre weapons like the S-8 rocket instead."

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/S-5_rocket

 

And they are even worse in DCS where fragmentation effects are not even properly modeled.

 

[Lucas_From_Hell]

The developers have said the S-5, S-8, S-13 and S-24 will be available.

[upyr1]

On 3/27/2021 at 3:30 PM, jib said:

I am not really sure why you would want S-5 rockets as they were rubbish in real live :

 

"S-5 rockets were used extensively by Sukhoi Su-25 and Mil Mi-24 aircraft in Afghanistan in the 1980s, where their effectiveness was considered poor. Pilots described the rockets fanning out after launch "like a tulip", and that the warhead was only good for "tickling the dookhi's (mujahedeen) heels". The Russian forces have shifted to higher-calibre weapons like the S-8 rocket instead."

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/S-5_rocket

 

And they are even worse in DCS where fragmentation effects are not even properly modeled.

 

The text says they would be part of the correct load out. I hope we get the fragmentation effect fixed.  

[3WA]

Yeah, the fragmentation effect is still horrible on the Vhiker as well.  Airburst mode is WORTHLESS.

[Northstar98]

Well, the problem is DCS doesn't model fragmentation at all - what it does do is essentially boost the warhead 'power' which should be the explosive mass of the warhead (presumably as kgs of TNT equivalent) though in DCS, this number is usually the total warhead mass. 

[NeedzWD40]

On 3/27/2021 at 3:30 PM, jib said:

I am not really sure why you would want S-5 rockets as they were rubbish in real live :

 

Don't much care how effective or ineffective they were in real life; I like to expand my horizons and simulate times where the best tier gear wasn't always available or used. Same reason why we might use the F-14A over the F-14B, the AGM-62 over a JSOW, and so on. Makes for a different challenge as well as hitting historical points.

 

On 3/27/2021 at 7:50 PM, Lucas_From_Hell said:

The developers have said the S-5, S-8, S-13 and S-24 will be available.

 

Excellent! Is there a source for this? Current information here indicates the S-5 isn't going to be part of the package.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

2 hours ago, NeedzWD40 said:

Excellent! Is there a source for this? Current information here indicates the S-5 isn't going to be part of the package.

It was mentioned in PilotMi8's livestream interview a few months back, but you're right - it doesn't show up in the product page any more. It might be the same case as the Mi-8MTV2, where that variant came after the S-8 had become the standard rocket so the S-5 wasn't integrated with the weapons system. We'll find out when it releases, I suppose.

[Avimimus]

It was also here: Mi-24P Hind Development report 21/08/2020 - Page 8 - DCS: Mi-24P Hind - ED Forums (eagle.ru)

[Northstar98]

And it's marked as completed.