Mysterious Cities of Lag...

[Kaptein_Damli]

Jesus!!! Some comments here are really harsh! If you need so bad the top notch graphics go fly FSX! I am sure if you do not put the things to the maximum detail it will be ok. Why having shadows that are not viewable and hit FPS? (so go to settings and disable it) Why having reflections on water if it makes the same thing as the water without reflections? (disable it!) In my humble opinion the graphics are important for a flight sim but only a bit! Flight model, systems, it´s much more important to me. For example FSX has the ultimate graphics but it´s a unstable sim with a lot of bugs (this goes all for the rotary side) and it does not simulate what a helicopter do! I don´t fly FSX anymore and I´ll not do it. If you ever looked at a professional helicopter simulator you will see that the more important things are not the visual but are the systems and flight model. So just put down your settings it won´t bite you.

 

Some guys here are requesting graphics or worry about graphics someone even questioned the helicopter hitting the trees... Or you guys are blind or you don´t read the threads neither FAQ! DCS: BS it will be the best combat helicopter sim and if it was civil it would be the best too! Now... Don´t worry so much with the graphics and FPS there is always a way of putting the FPS stable and high (for me high it´s constant at 30+).

 

Regards.

 

What bothers me is why they still renders water under terrain where it will not be visible and the result is lesser fps if they would not. I was hoping they avoided or recoded the engine before lauching BS. To me it looks like the old FC engine with a complex KA-50 FM (which is good), but I know of the new engine they have in developing, just in the meantime I was hoping they avoided the render under water thingy. Maybe it´s hard to remove and it is limits of the previous engine, but do not misunderstand me, I appreciate how good BS looks now when it comes to 6DOF, complex FM, damage modelling, clickable cockpit etc. I was just hoping for a better engine (at first release of BS) and if not, a better FC engine. My guess is not. Nothing to be so upset for me commenting it.

[Kaptein_Damli]

some people ... :disgust:

 

Some people have opinions. Sorry if I do not agree with most of you.

[BlackSharkAce]

Anyway we are gonna get a brand new 3D engine one day, so it'll all be obsolete questions I hope. For now it feels like the good old LOMAC. And the game is still not optimised for 2/MultiCore systems. So don't look forward to a too great improvement, there is improvement but just a little. I think it's still DX8 isn't it ?

[mc_smile]

At least we can wait for FPS tweaks made by lockonfiles team

[Kuky]

ED have released BS with modified LO graphics engine and I don't think they made a same mistake because they released BS not to late (alright, bit later for western market, but hey so many westerners are playing it already anyway) and also, they already are working on new engine... so they HAVE learned.

 

People who want this kind of realism and attention to detail in pretty much everything and still have super good graphics (like some FPS games) and super framerate, the're completely out of touch as to just how much can be programmed with PC hardware and have constantly good framerate... and by the way... it takes many years to develop new game engine.

 

Right now we got good graphics and very good sim that still plays good on current hardware (haven't seen complaints yet how unplayable the game is yet)... what more do you want? Sure, new game engine to utilise multi core, but still as is BS is still the king of sims.

 

oh and no, you don't have to agree with me.

Edited November 16, 2008 by Kuky

[Kaptein_Damli]

ED have released BS with modified LO graphics engine and I don't think they made a same mistake because they released BS not to late (alright, bit later for western market, but hey so many westerners are playing it already anyway) and also, they already are working on new engine... so they HAVE learned.

 

People who want this kind of realism and attention to detail in pretty much everything and still have super good graphics (like some FPS games) and super framerate, the're completely out of touch as to just how much can be programmed with PC hardware and have constantly good framerate... and by the way... it takes many years to develop new game engine.

 

Right now we got good graphics and very good sim that still plays good on current hardware (haven't seen complaints yet how unplayable the game is yet)... what more do you want? Sure, new game engine to utilise multi core, but still as is BS is still the king of sims.

 

oh and no, you don't have to agree with me.

 

People want better fps and graphics and I know that is a very hard task regarding combat sims. BUT, when we see the same "water renders under terrain" after 5 years, questions are to be made. The fact that the community (or lockonfiles) have to tweak the water (again!) and not ED, concerns me a little but I have big hopes for the new engine! I guess we all can live with for a while. My guess is that ED has used as much resources as possible on making the FM of KA-50 as good as possible. Homever, as they have people at SIM-MOD in their team, I was hoping for a optimized engine from Lock On but I guess there was not time. BTW: Isn´t BS optimized for dual cores? I remember reading this from a FAQ somewhere?

 

Maybe ED could get in touch with Oleg at Maddox and take a look at his new engine. Why develop two different engines if you could mod his(?). Also take a look how good water is looking in a sim from 2001 (IL-2). That was 7 years ago and IL-2 stills look good. I have had good fps from day 1 I played IL-2.

[mc_smile]

The graphics is not the key feature of this sim. FPS - definately but not graphics. Still it's not bad at all. We regard BS for outstanding simulation level. I like good pictures and effects but if i need those, i go play X3 for instanse. And concerning the FPS - i'm sure that ED will come up with the solution in their next engine. Until then i'm ready to decrease my graphic settings a little

[Focha]

ED have released BS with modified LO graphics engine and I don't think they made a same mistake because they released BS not to late (alright, bit later for western market, but hey so many westerners are playing it already anyway) and also, they already are working on new engine... so they HAVE learned.

 

People who want this kind of realism and attention to detail in pretty much everything and still have super good graphics (like some FPS games) and super framerate, the're completely out of touch as to just how much can be programmed with PC hardware and have constantly good framerate... and by the way... it takes many years to develop new game engine.

 

Right now we got good graphics and very good sim that still plays good on current hardware (haven't seen complaints yet how unplayable the game is yet)... what more do you want? Sure, new game engine to utilise multi core, but still as is BS is still the king of sims.

 

oh and no, you don't have to agree with me.

 

Second that!

[deltahawk2008]

Right now we got good graphics and very good sim that still plays good on current hardware (haven't seen complaints yet how unplayable the game is yet)... what more do you want? Sure, new game engine to utilise multi core, but still as is BS is still the king of sims

 

I will attest to the above quote. The developers have done a great job. I have a 128 meg graphics card. I can play this sim with settings on low. I was amazed that I even was able to install the sim.

[Cyb0rg]

Second that!

Second that!

[Glowing_Amraam]

People want better fps and graphics and I know that is a very hard task regarding combat sims. BUT, when we see the same "water renders under terrain" after 5 years, questions are to be made. The fact that the community (or lockonfiles) have to tweak the water (again!) and not ED, concerns me a little but I have big hopes for the new engine! I guess we all can live with for a while. My guess is that ED has used as much resources as possible on making the FM of KA-50 as good as possible. Homever, as they have people at SIM-MOD in their team, I was hoping for a optimized engine from Lock On but I guess there was not time. BTW: Isn´t BS optimized for dual cores? I remember reading this from a FAQ somewhere?

 

Maybe ED could get in touch with Oleg at Maddox and take a look at his new engine. Why develop two different engines if you could mod his(?). Also take a look how good water is looking in a sim from 2001 (IL-2). That was 7 years ago and IL-2 stills look good. I have had good fps from day 1 I played IL-2.

 

You seem to forget that development of black shark started a loooong time ago, and for various reasons, it took this long to release the sim.

 

Second, Imo, IL-2 (original IL-2) doesn't look that good. And of course you get good fps in a sim like that, there's no radar modelling, missiles, afm (Flaming cliffs, black shark)... :)

[Kuky]

yeah, IL-2 has no modern avionics... the only thing it matches BS is in good FM (but still doesn't have as advanced FM as BS) and guns balistics... and that's it. Aircraft 3D models in IL-2 are actually bit low on polys, same as Su-27 in LO/FC for example. Water sure does look better in IL-2 and terrain is very decent also... the forests in IL-2 are good looking only from high above... sideways they are invisible.

 

Anyway... I am very sure once game engine is coded for multi-core CPU's it'll FPS will start to shine.

[Kaptein_Damli]

yeah, IL-2 has no modern avionics... the only thing it matches BS is in good FM (but still doesn't have as advanced FM as BS) and guns balistics... and that's it. Aircraft 3D models in IL-2 are actually bit low on polys, same as Su-27 in LO/FC for example. Water sure does look better in IL-2 and terrain is very decent also... the forests in IL-2 are good looking only from high above... sideways they are invisible.

 

Anyway... I am very sure once game engine is coded for multi-core CPU's it'll FPS will start to shine.

 

+1! Totally agree with you! :D I think I will wait untill BS is released with the new engine. Anyone know the timeschedule of the new engine?

 

BTW: Trees in IL-2 looks the best I have seen from above, but it´s 2D trees, but you are not supposed to be on the ground are you! ;) hehe..

Anyway, the bright Oleg did this to get good fps and good visuals. I just miss some new fresh ideas and not water rendering under terrain. Let´s hope the new engine rocks! :pilotfly:

[deltahawk2008]

+1! Totally agree with you! :D I think I will wait untill BS is released with the new engine. Anyone know the timeschedule of the new engine?

 

I would not hold my breath waiting for such a development. How long ago was the KA 50 mentioned as an add on to Lomac? When was SOW BOB first muted? And its not even near release...In our genre, flight simming it is a long time between drinks. We are lucky that BS has finally landed. And well worth the wait. The bar has been raised.

[nemises]

I have been floored by some of the visuals I've seen in BS.

[RedTiger]

For the record, on several separate occasions ED has stated why water is rendered under the land. Their explanation is that it at the time LOMAC was developed, it would have taken far more horsepower to do the calculations to figure out where all the water ends and where the land begins.

 

The fact that this is still in BS (which by the way, was stated many months ago and is probably still in the Q&A thread) is due to the limitations of using the engine that is already available vs. major reworking of that engine.