check manual F 16 FCR CNTL Page

[Yannick Pancake]

Hey Guys,
I was just looking through the new features of the last update and I've found some new elements on the CNTL Page of the FCR. Most of them are unusable but it would be interesting to know what they do. I couldn't find any information about the PM (Power Management) and the BCN DLY (Beacon Delay), neither in IRL manuals nor in manuals for other common F16 simulators. So can anybody tell me what these options do?

 

[Frederf]

moving target rejection, how much velocity to ignore.

ALT TRK is the altitude tracker and blanker. Because radar bounces off the ground side lobe style there's some range that you'll get false contacts.

TGT HIS is target history, how many levels of faded contacts, 

LVL is "radar levels" no clue.

CHAN is channel, to separate the radar frequency sets from interference

MK INT, mark intensity, how bright AG range circles are.

BAND WIDE/NARO, the bandwidth of the radar pulse.

BCN DLY, beacon delay, the offset time delay for radar beacon reception. It's an antiquated system where someone on the ground has a radar beacon and can designate bombing targets for you.

PM power management, no clue.

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Frederf

[Yannick Pancake]

Ah ok, Thanks.

At least one make more sense now. The LVL ist as far as I know, the ECCM Level.

[Harlikwin]

On 8/15/2021 at 11:25 PM, Frederf said:

moving target rejection, how much velocity to ignore.

ALT TRK is the altitude tracker and blanker. Because radar bounces off the ground side lobe style there's some range that you'll get false contacts.

TGT HIS is target history, how many levels of faded contacts, 

LVL is "radar levels" no clue.

CHAN is channel, to separate the radar frequency sets from interference

MK INT, mark intensity, how bright AG range circles are.

BAND WIDE/NARO, the bandwidth of the radar pulse.

BCN DLY, beacon delay, the offset time delay for radar beacon reception. It's an antiquated system where someone on the ground has a radar beacon and can designate bombing targets for you.

PM power management, no clue.

 

 

 

So now that we have them, do they actually do anything in DCS i.e. does BAND have any actual effect in DCS?

[_SteelFalcon_]

1 minute ago, Harlikwin said:

 

So now that we have them, do they actually do anything in DCS i.e. does BAND have any actual effect in DCS?

most of the things are not (yet) implemented according to the early access guide under \DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\F-16C\Doc

[SpaceMonkey037]

On 8/16/2021 at 7:25 AM, Frederf said:

moving target rejection, how much velocity to ignore.

ALT TRK is the altitude tracker and blanker. Because radar bounces off the ground side lobe style there's some range that you'll get false contacts.

TGT HIS is target history, how many levels of faded contacts, 

LVL is "radar levels" no clue.

CHAN is channel, to separate the radar frequency sets from interference

MK INT, mark intensity, how bright AG range circles are.

BAND WIDE/NARO, the bandwidth of the radar pulse.

BCN DLY, beacon delay, the offset time delay for radar beacon reception. It's an antiquated system where someone on the ground has a radar beacon and can designate bombing targets for you.

PM power management, no clue.

 

 

makes you wonder why it says GM (Ground Map) instead of CRM haha

Edited September 17, 2021 by SpaceMonkey037

[Frederf]

You mean for mark intensity?

[SpaceMonkey037]

On 9/17/2021 at 9:40 PM, Frederf said:

You mean for mark intensity?

OSB 1, GM (ground map), Ground map is an A-G FCR mode. And perhaps unsurpisinlgy, the current implementation of the CNTL page is in fact the A-G FCR CNTL page, but not the A-A FCR CNTL page. The two pages have some big differences, where the A-A one includes a CPL and DCPL toggle button instead of the "PM OFF". This toggles the IFF interogator to be coupled or decoupled to the FCR scan azimuth, meaning that if you have it in CPL you will only display IFF returns from the aircraft within your azimuth. In dcs we have the DCPL mode selected, where all IFF returns are displayed. 

Note: I don't actually have any hard proof of this being the case, but the fact that it says GM when you're clearly in CRM/ACM should be enough to tell you that something is off, which doesn't make it all that unrealstic to think that the whole page is copy pasted from a manaual which just so happened to only ever show the A-G FCR CNTL page (which might also explain why basically non of the functions on that page actually work).

Edited September 20, 2021 by SpaceMonkey037

[Frederf]

Oh you're saying there are multiple CTRL pages? I don't think that's the case. Would it show the ALT TRK option for AG if the blanker is only applicable to AA? The manuals only describe "the" FCR CTRL page.

 

A table of what I see on CTRL page depending on source.

[table]

[tr][td]OSB[/td][td]APG-66[/td][td]APG-68[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]6[/td][td]CHAN[/td][td]CHAN[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]7[/td][td]MK INT[/td][td]MK INT[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]8[/td][td]BAND[/td][td]BAND[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]9[/td][td]BCN DLY[/td][td]BCN DLY[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]10[/td][td]DCPL*[/td][td]PM[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]20[/td][td]MTR[/td][td]MTR[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]19[/td][td]ALT TRK[/td][td]ALT TRK[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]18[/td][td]TGT HIS[/td][td]TGT HIS[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]17[/td][td]LVL[/td][td]LVL[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]16[/td][td](blank)[/td][td](blank)[/td][/tr]

[/table]

*(blank on a diff source prob without AIFF)

 

I don't know how or if USAF does CPL/DCPL AIFF from FCR. But I assume PM and IFF coupling would occupy OSB 10 and 16 in some order.

Edited September 20, 2021 by Frederf

[SpaceMonkey037]

1 hour ago, Frederf said:

Oh you're saying there are multiple CTRL pages? I don't think that's the case. Would it show the ALT TRK option for AG if the blanker is only applicable to AA? The manuals only describe "the" FCR CTRL page.

 

A table of what I see on CTRL page depending on source.

[table]

[tr][td]OSB[/td][td]APG-66[/td][td]APG-68[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]6[/td][td]CHAN[/td][td]CHAN[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]7[/td][td]MK INT[/td][td]MK INT[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]8[/td][td]BAND[/td][td]BAND[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]9[/td][td]BCN DLY[/td][td]BCN DLY[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]10[/td][td]DCPL*[/td][td]PM[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]20[/td][td]MTR[/td][td]MTR[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]19[/td][td]ALT TRK[/td][td]ALT TRK[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]18[/td][td]TGT HIS[/td][td]TGT HIS[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]17[/td][td]LVL[/td][td]LVL[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]16[/td][td](blank)[/td][td](blank)[/td][/tr]

[/table]

*(blank on a diff source prob without AIFF)

 

I don't know how or if USAF does CPL/DCPL AIFF from FCR. But I assume PM and IFF coupling would occupy OSB 10 and 16 in some order.

 

Like i said, i have no actual proof of this being the case, only speculations. But I find it very strange that it says GM where it should really be CRM/ACM. To me it seems like they copy pasted an -34-1-1 where it just happened to show GM. Looks alot like they don't have a clue about what they're doing. Maybe I'm wrong in my statements, but I have a big feeling our CNTL page is very off, at least form the current day standard by comparing different midlife updates.

[Frederf]

From what I can tell there's only one FCR CNTL page and it has settings for both AA and AG on that single page.

[GoodOldeBenji]

It's explained in the manual

[Yannick Pancake]

12 hours ago, GoodOldeBenji said:

It's explained in the manual

I know this Picture but if you read through my original question you'll se that the question was: what does the PM do? It wasn't the question if its implemented or not
But anyway, thank you

[Frederf]

Automatic control of radar power for LPI purposes

[Yannick Pancake]

thanks