30mm dispersion.

[Viperrg]

From the teaser video wags posted the rounds don't seem to have the amount of dispersion that they should. I know it was a short clip and rather short range but it still didn't seem like enough. I've never flown an apache but someone who has also commented on it (CasmoTv). I think that the right amount of dispersion is essential to the 30mm cannon and hope to see it correctly implemented, thanks!   

[StevanJ]

26 minutes ago, kgillers3 said:

The dispersion looks good. If you want real immersion I guess they could include your head shaking a little bit which makes longer hmd shots tricky.  It's 500m decently vertical shot.  It appears that they included some ballistics factors that occur in the real aircraft for hmd shot out the left door. At that range with that vertical shot you won't have a large beaten zone.  

 

You mean like this ?
 

 

[StevanJ]

36 minutes ago, kgillers3 said:

I'd guess that's a 1500-2000 meter shot, reason - Day TV zoomed and correlating to the size of the tgts and buildings in the tdu is.  and even then the beaten zone is probably 30m or so.  Couple strays, but the main point of impact is within 20-30m it's hard to judge with the dust.  Which is acceptable, the video has a HMD shot at 500-400m so the closer in you are the tighter the group. 

 

HMD shaking, when the gun fires and can cause your head to shake a little and the hmd moves up and down a bit.  That's a tads engagment tho. 

 

Hmm, Id say more like an M-TADS..

[StevanJ]

1 hour ago, kgillers3 said:

Generally we refer to the MTADS as TADs, Same with MPNVS is PNVS (pronounced pen-vis).  At the end of the day as long as you know that engagement is different from a HMD shot and the gunner is using the TEDACs for the engagement.  VS the DCS video which is what I'm referencing which is a HMD engagement.  The dispersion at 500-400m is appropriate.  The dispersion will increase the farther in range you go. 

 

 

Generally I refer to the M-TADS as MTADS..

But you do you..

 

From a variable source of Apache videos on YouTube, I’d agree that the Dispersion needs work.

Which is ok, because it’s in EA.

[StevanJ]

10 hours ago, kgillers3 said:

Yeah you right I just fly the thing I'll do me.  The we I was referencing were other pilots who also fly the thing.  I'm just here trying to share input on what to expect but continue to reference your years of experience of wiki and google searches.  

 

Thanks pal, If you need any help- Give me a shout.
Its only a game..

Heres the differences between the two in case ayone is interested..
Modern VS Legacy

 

And using my years of experience of wiki and google searches. Here is how the manufacturer refers to M-TADS/M-PNVS..

 

Edited September 12, 2021 by StevanJ

[Remco]

You don't honestly think we say "M-Tads" in the cockpit when referring to the TADS in any way shape or form do you...?

Pilot: "Hey, slew your tads to my line of sight."

CPG: "ackshually..."

[Remco]

As for the video, yeah, dispersion looks pretty good, though it's hard to overlook the tracers, that's obviously inaccurate. Those'll be removed though.

[StevanJ]

1 hour ago, Remco said:

You don't honestly think we say "M-Tads" in the cockpit when referring to the TADS in any way shape or form do you...?

Pilot: "Hey, slew your tads to my line of sight."

CPG: "ackshually..."

No you probably dont call the TADS the MTADS as the TADS is a completely different system (remember its the old Legacy system).

Instead of having me explain it to you maybe let Chief Warrant Officer 5 (thats the fifth, and highest, Warrant Officer rank in the Unites States Army) Ken Jones give you his insight into what he calls the sensor..

I mean you have both the Manufacturer, and a CW5 giving you 'what they call the MTADS.' Maybe.. Just Maybe, theyre wrong?

 

 

[Remco]

3 minutes ago, StevanJ said:

No you probably dont call the TADS the MTADS as the TADS is a completely different system (remember its the old Legacy system).

Instead of having me explain it to you maybe let Chief Warrant Officer 5 (thats the fifth, and highest, Warrant Officer rank in the Unites States Army) Ken Jones give you his insight into what he calls the sensor..

I mean you have both the Manufacturer, and a CW5 giving you 'what they call the MTADS.' Maybe.. Just Maybe, theyre wrong?

 

 

Rewatch that video from 8:56 onwards and listen carefully

[StevanJ]

2 minutes ago, Remco said:

Rewatch that video from 8:56 onwards and listen carefully

Rewatch the video from 7:52 and listen more carefully
Whats the first thing he calls it (When he's asked about it)?

[Remco]

What are you trying to argue? Nobody is denying it is an M-TADS.

Kgiller said that there is an inherent difference in accuracy between a HDU engagement as shown in Wags' video and a Tads engagement as shown in the video you posted. Looking down the TEDAC to engage a target and using a thumb controller instead of using your HDU to ACQ and engage a target didn't suddenly start being referred to as an "M-TADS engagement" when the TADS got upgraded.
You decided to correct Kgiller's words, when his phraseology was not incorrect whatsoever, and we would refer to that type of engagement style as a tads engagement, regardless of what era of sensor was installed, simple as that. Just like how in the last video you posted the CW5 calls it the M-TADS when introducing the system but 1 minute later when talking about its use reverts back to the shorthand "Tads", because that's how we talk.

[Flying.Panda]

Reference in the cockpit is mainly based on how it is displayed on your systems as to not create any fuzz. The MPD, TEDAC and HDU all show TADS as reference to the MTADS and therefor TADS is mainly used, since it is also shorter. But this is my experience, maybe different branches use different terminology. Not that any of this actually matters....

[StevanJ]

20 hours ago, kgillers3 said:

I'd guess that's a 1500-2000 meter shot, reason - Day TV zoomed and correlating to the size of the tgts and buildings in the tdu is.  and even then the beaten zone is probably 30m or so.  Couple strays, but the main point of impact is within 20-30m it's hard to judge with the dust.  Which is acceptable, the DCS video has a HMD shot at 500-400m so the closer in you are the tighter the group. 

 

HMD shaking, when the gun fires and can cause your head to shake a little and the hmd moves up and down a bit.  That's a tads engagment tho. 

 

 

100% agree it doesnt matter..

[Remco]

[BIGNEWY]

please wait for the early access to start, if you think there is a problem we will take a closer look.

 

I am having no problems in testing

 

thanks