More AIM-54C Improvements?

[Jayhawk1971]

I think I've read - many moons ago, so I don't recall where, or what the specifics were - that degradation of the propellant became a problem over time, which decreased reliability of the Phoenix. Whether that's true or a "sea story", I have no way of knowing.

Edited January 22, 2022 by Jayhawk1971

[Gunslinger22]

1 hour ago, Jayhawk1971 said:

I think I've read - many moons ago, so I don't recall where, or what the specifics were - that degradation of the propellant became a problem over time, which decreased reliability of the Phoenix. Whether that's true or a "sea story", I have no way of knowing.

 

I think you’ll find this applies to quite literally any rocket motor and its fuel source. 

Edited January 22, 2022 by Gunslinger22

[Jayhawk1971]

vor 22 Minuten schrieb Gunslinger22:

I think you’ll find this applies to quite literally any rocket motor and its fuel source. 

 

Would it have been possible to replace the propellant after a certain time period, or were those things sealed tight? I mean one would assume that the guidance package was the expensive stuff on the missile, and too valuable to waste simply because some chemicals decide to diffuse.  

BTW, my comment was referring to this, hence I was wondering if the propellant was what may have caused the "temperamental" part. 

 

vor 1 Stunde schrieb westr:

Or was it a case of towards the end of the missiles life cycle they become more and more temperamental.

Edited January 22, 2022 by Jayhawk1971

[Comstedt86]

Afaik the two motor failures were because of improper handling/mounting by ground crew. 

[eatthis]

On 12/20/2021 at 7:47 PM, nighthawk2174 said:

They've already said it will be changing to have command inertial like the amraam.

what is command inertial? short version is fine.
 

[near_blind]

37 minutes ago, eatthis said:

what is command inertial? short version is fine.
 

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[Comstedt86]

2 hours ago, eatthis said:

what is command inertial? short version is fine.
 

If you loose a TWS lock for instance it can guide itself to calculated intercept location and go active on it's own. Could perhaps lead to more instances of where the missile will go active instead of being trashed. 

It will also be able to do so without the specific command coming from the AWG9/WCS. 

 

And perhaps in STT it will be guided much like an AMRAAM. With midcourse guidance and then active in the last phase instead of a Fox 1 all the way. (Altough I am not 100% sure on this) 

[eatthis]

2 hours ago, near_blind said:

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HAHA SIMPLE 

[sprak74]

Bump, will there been any upcoming improvements/adjustments to the aim-54c? such as adjustments to the motor burn time, kinematics and its own ability to go active? it feels very underpowered against the mk60.

[DSplayer]

8 hours ago, sprak74 said:

Bump, will there been any upcoming improvements/adjustments to the aim-54c? such as adjustments to the motor burn time, kinematics and its own ability to go active? it feels very underpowered against the mk60.

HB was going to give an update on possible discoveries relating to the AIM-54C a couple months back but nothing came out yet.

 

[Spurts]

18 hours ago, sprak74 said:

it feels very underpowered against the mk60.

It IS underpowered against the mk60, the mk60 has the biggest motor.

[Comstedt86]

54 minutes ago, Spurts said:

It IS underpowered against the mk60, the mk60 has the biggest motor.

Isn't it worse than A47 kinematically as well? 

[Panny]

4 hours ago, Comstedt86 said:

Isn't it worse than A47 kinematically as well? 

Yup, not by much, but the C is heavier which impacts it a little

[DSplayer]

On 5/28/2022 at 1:29 PM, Panny said:

Yup, not by much, but the C is heavier which impacts it a little

The Mk47 motor on the AIM-54C does have a weaker impulse than the motor on the AIM-54A-Mk47. That combined with the increased weight causes the missile to perform worse than the AIM-54A-Mk47 kinematically.

[turkeydriver]

44 minutes ago, DSplayer said:

The Mk47 motor on the AIM-54C does have a weaker impulse than the motor on the AIM-54A-Mk47. That combined with the increased weight causes the missile to perform worse than the AIM-54A-Mk47 kinematically.

This is in game only.  THe specifics of the C allow it to fly a much better profile to a target.  I suppose against a non maneuvering STT max range shot- an A might outperform it, but thats it really.  IRL the C is a much much better missile than the A.

[sprak74]

19 hours ago, turkeydriver said:

This is in game only.  THe specifics of the C allow it to fly a much better profile to a target.  I suppose against a non maneuvering STT max range shot- an A might outperform it, but thats it really.  IRL the C is a much much better missile than the A.

I hope that's the case, currently the C variant is the weakest out of all of them, it doesn't sit well with me that an older version can overperform a new upgraded and modern version.