F/A-18C - Trigger Actions on Mission Start

[Toni Carrera]

Hi All,

This issue is driving me crazy. I have a significant amount of information relating to Device ID's, Arg ID's, Command ID's etc etc, all for the F/A-18C. I used this list for pretty much programming everything in to my StreamDeck XL, with which I have no issues at all, no Keyboard HotKeys, proper interface commands

When I use this information however for trying to set my bird up as I enter a mission, not a single thing works

I am using the 'X:COCKPIT PERFORM CLICKABLE ACTION' trying various options, for example

COCKPIT DEVICE: 5, COMMAND: 3009, and tried multiple options of 1, 0, -1, -0.1

The reason I am trying this, the particular one above, is that I have an issue where for some reason the Hook always starts in the down position

I want to be able to program things such as TACAN, ATC, A/P BALT etc etc, but I just can't get anything to work. I can get the X: SET COMMAND 816 working to Active Pause on mission start, just nothing related to 'X:COCKPIT PERFORM CLICKABLE ACTION'

Please can someone help me with this

[Toni Carrera]

This is my file that I am using for reference, in case anybody else finds it useful, it is based on the StreamDeck interface by Charles Tytler

TC-Working-FA-18C-02-09112021.xlsx

Edited November 9, 2021 by Toni Carrera

[Rudel_chw]

23 minutes ago, Toni Carrera said:

I can get the X: SET COMMAND 816 working to Active Pause on mission start, just nothing related to 'X:COCKPIT PERFORM CLICKABLE ACTION'

That command is for Single Player use ... is your mission for Multiplayer?

[Toni Carrera]

This is my file that I am using for reference, in case anybody else finds it useful, it is based on the StreamDeck interface by Charles Tytler

TC-Working-FA-18C-02-091120212021.xlsx

I only do Single Player

It is not the Set Commands I am having issues with, it is the 'X:COCKPIT PERFORM CLICKABLE ACTION' that is the issue and reason for thread

[Rudel_chw]

18 minutes ago, Toni Carrera said:

It is not the Set Commands I am having issues with, it is the 'X:COCKPIT PERFORM CLICKABLE ACTION' that is the issue and reason for thread

OK, I tried it and you are correct, command 3009 doesnt seem to work .. perhaps because it is the same command for both Hook Up and Hook down? 

 

But, I tried command 5, 3013, 1 and it worked for me (lowers the hook of my air-start Hornet) .. perhaps you could use it instead?

[Toni Carrera]

Thanks Rudel, I will give that a shot

 

[Toni Carrera]

Thanks Rudel, that seems to work, I used it with -1 and it raised the hook when I started the mission, so at least I can put that command at the beginning of everyone of my missions

One thing I do not understand, is why there is not a way to export all the values for reference, the data clearly exists, but why no export or provided file from ED. They are normally excellent at this sort of thing, unless of course it does exist, and I have just not been able to find it

 

[Rudel_chw]

10 minutes ago, Toni Carrera said:

One thing I do not understand, is why there is not a way to export all the values for reference, the data clearly exists, but why no export or provided file from ED.

I dont know ... probably ED sees no need, since the X: triggers are mostly intended for editing training missions and that type of mission is mostly created by the developers, not common users.

Glad you could fix your mission, tough it seems strange that your Hornet spawns with the Hook down, mine doesnt do that.

[Toni Carrera]

Hi Rudel, 

I have not managed to fix my mission, Yes, I now have the fixed the issue where my hook always starts in the down position, thanks to you, but I still have the issue that I can't get any of the other options pre-set on mission start

I want to be able to program things such as TACAN, ATC, A/P BALT etc etc so that is all taken care of as the mission launches. I am prepared to do all the ground work, I just do not know why anything I do with the clickable X: COCKPIT PERFORM CLICKABLE ACTION does not appear to work for all of the other stuff. I am going through every Training mission seeing if I can pull anything from there, but because they are interactive, all I see is highlight this, highlight that, and there appears to be no correlation between what is being high lighted and the clickable action obviously

Please can someone advise, it must be possible to configure these things on Mission Start, even if I can just get BALT, ATC & ATTH configured, so my plane does not go nuts when the missions starts, that would be something

Thanks

 

 

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, Toni Carrera said:

I just do not know why anything I do with the clickable X: COCKPIT PERFORM CLICKABLE ACTION does not appear to work for all of the other stuff.

 

Strange, just did a quick test with the TACAN and MFCD, and they do work on my DCS:

 

 

You have to take care with timing issues, as DCS processes your trigger list once per second, so if you attempt to execute too many cockpit operations on a single trigger they may not work. That's why I setup the TACAN using three triggers, rather than just one.

I'm attaching the mission, so you can test on your own DCS.

 

F-18 - test cockpit triggers (by Rudel_chw).miz

Edited November 10, 2021 by Rudel_chw

[Toni Carrera]

Thanks Rudel,

I will take a look at this later on and hopefully be able to understand the correlation between what you have provided by way of the mission, and my spreadsheet detailing a lot of the Commands and ID's etc

Again, my thanks

Toni

[Toni Carrera]

Hi,

I sincerely thank you for the help so far, I just have one more question on this, hopefully

Is it possible in triggers 'Actions' element, to add a delay between actions?

 

[Rudel_chw]

2 hours ago, Toni Carrera said:

Is it possible in triggers 'Actions' element, to add a delay between actions?

If you mean between actions within a single trigger, then no, not possible.

actions on separate triggers can be delayed by using the TIME SINCE FLAG condition.

[Sedlo]

I use these start actions in my Red Flag 2 mission.  If you want to see an example I did, check out the start from push version included in this mission: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3309966/

[Toni Carrera]

Hi All,

This is driving me nuts, I can't work this out, I wonder if someone wouldn't mind casting an expert eye over the trigger and tell me where I am being an idiot

I am trying to do the following as the first few steps;

1. Mission Start - Flag On = 135

2. After a couple of seconds, A/P On, then select Option 3 on UFC (BALT)

3. After 4 seconds, TACAN On, Option 3 on UFC (A/A), enter 1, enter 5, Enter, On/Off = On, AMPCD Button 5 (TCN), Option 5 on UFC(CPL). Debug message to say completed

4. Puts the Hook up (I have an issue where it always starts in the down position on any mission I create). This is not an issue, just saying for information, but it works

If anyone could take a quick look and tell me where I am being an idiot, I would truly appreciate it 

Thanks

FA-18C-Mission-11-v01.miz

Edited November 12, 2021 by Toni Carrera

[Sedlo]

Hey @Toni Carrera

Just taking a quick look, not only do you have to make a clickable action to press the button, you then have to make a clickable action to "un-press" the button, as well.  Value 1, then another action to make value -1 (or 0, depending on your action).

Otherwise the button remains pressed in and the other functions may not work, as the button is being pressed continuously.

To make the Hornet autopilot set to BARO hold, do this.

TRIGGER	CONDITION	ACTION
Press AP Button	Time Since 135 = 1	Perform Clickable 3001, 1
Un-Press AP Button	Time Since 135 = 2	Perform Clickable 3001, -1
Press Baro OSB	Time Since 135 = 3	Perform Clickable 3012, 1
Un-Press Baro OSB	Time Since 135 = 4	Perform Clickable 3012, -1

 

You can sometimes do multiple clickable actions in a single trigger, others you can't.  I can't see a rhyme or reason for some of them, so you just got to do trial and error.

(BTW, your mission started for me with the hook down, not sure what's going on with your configuration, but you might want to check your hotas bindings or something).

One other thing, I would avoid having a condition in the first MISSION START trigger.  Just incase you want to spawn your player in later, your flag won't fire in that situation.  

I've attached an edited version of your mission to show you the autopilot button press logic.   

FA-18C-Mission-11 BUTTON PRESS.miz

[Toni Carrera]

Thank you Sedlo, much appreciated

I will make the modifications as you have suggested, at least I was sort of on the right idea

Again, sincere thanks

Toni

[Sedlo]

2 minutes ago, Toni Carrera said:

Thank you Sedlo, much appreciated

I will make the modifications as you have suggested, at least I was sort of on the right idea

Again, sincere thanks

Toni

@Toni Carreragood luck, feel free to ask if you run into another roadblock!

[Toni Carrera]

OK, thusfar, thanks to Sedlo, I am munching my way through various Cockpit setups I would like. Bearing in mind the amount of time it takes, I would like to be able to save this off so I do not have a 100 of so steps to program every time I make a mission for myself

So the natural question is, how do I export these, load them as part of a template, even if there is a section of modifying a mission file in NotePad++ and pasting it in there etc

 

[Sedlo]

@Toni CarreraThat is the $100 dollar question!   I have not found a way to do it, other than manually adding them in the mission editor, one by one.  If you find a way, let me know!

[Toni Carrera]

Hi @Sedlo

Well I have found the triggers in the file, I am wondering if I can parse the trigger data in to a SpreadSheet. and then perhaps write a program to insert them in to a mission that is yet to have any triggers defined

I am going to spend some time this afternoon on this and will of course write back here with anything I have may have found/achieved 

Edited November 13, 2021 by Toni Carrera

[Rudel_chw]

39 minutes ago, Toni Carrera said:

So the natural question is, how do I export these, load them as part of a template, even if there is a section of modifying a mission file in NotePad++ and pasting it in there etc

 

Unfortunately, Static Templates don't save Triggers yet .. hopefully ED will extend the Static Templates to include both trigger zones and programming triggers.

[Toni Carrera]

Has anyone ever had issues with Clickable Action (25, 3029, 1, "")

It should be for ENT on the UFC, but I can't get it to depress, which because I can't click and unclick it, the Triggers won't move on to the next stage

If you look closely, you can see that the button does not depress

I have removed all actions after this, so it is the last one present

FA-18C-Mission-Template-Syria-v01.miz

[Rudel_chw]

26 minutes ago, Toni Carrera said:

Has anyone ever had issues with Clickable Action (25, 3029, 1, "")

It should be for ENT on the UFC, but I can't get it to depress, which because I can't click and unclick it, the Triggers won't move on to the next stage

 

No, I don't have issues with that Action, in fact it was used on the test mission that I attached on a prior post.

In my experience, with CLICKABLE ACTION  I have always used just the Key Press action, never needed to use the Key Up action .. again, see my prior test example.

[Toni Carrera]

Revisiting it now, thanks