How to get the best turn rate?

[Morat]

I realise this isn't a Spitfire but I'm having some trouble sustaining turns. Gentle banking turns are nice but if I give any backwards pressure on the stick during a turn I find it very easy to enter a horrible lurching PIO that often ends up in a 3000fpm sideslip. I do need to resist the urge to get hamfisted on the controls but apart from all that - what are the basics for getting a decent turn?

Is it rudder INTO the turn and then neutral? or rudder into the turn and then a little top rudder pedal?

I sometimes manage to exit the turn and roll back level without any yaw, sometimes the nose does slide around the horizontal before I get the ball (or needle) centred again.

Yes, I'm a bad pilot (and the A10c flatters me!) but can anyone point out any tips for smooth combat manouvres?

 

thanks

[grafspee]

Planes like mosquito will tend to slide in side the turn so, when turning you need to correct side slip with rudder and counter react with aileron to not bank deeper, it is all muscle memory, i think it is impossible to tell you what to do exactly and you will suddenly score best turn ratios.

Watch speed, watch your slip indicator and maintain bank angle. A-10 does this job for you in mosquito you need to focus on this and do it buy yourself, it is quite challenging in combat situation.

Edited December 3, 2021 by grafspee

[DD_Fenrir]

On 12/3/2021 at 7:27 PM, Morat said:

Is it rudder INTO the turn and then neutral? or rudder into the turn and then a little top rudder pedal?

Any time you move the stick laterally you should be coordinating with rudder correspondingly.

For a right turn from level -

1. To initiate: Right aileron + Right rudder - this counters adverse yaw due to aileron input

2. Established desired bank angle: Centralise aileron + Reduced right rudder - this counters the adverse yaw from the outer wing travelling faster than the inner wing.

Complications - as you tighten the turn you'll need to decrease right rudder (right turn)/increase left rudder (left turn) input to counter the gyroscopic precession and added P-factor effects.

Edited December 17, 2021 by DD_Fenrir

[Reflected]

1) start your engines.

2) pull the brake lever

3) rudder fully to the right

4) increase the left throttle all the way while leaving the right at idle.

There you go. Just give a heads up to the ground crew about what you are gonna do so they can duck for cover.

(Sorry, I had to  )

I can echo the advice that @DD_Fenrir said. BTW sometimes in an established turn you need a very slight opposite aileron rather than a centered stick. It's because the outside wing is travelling faster and therefore producing more lift, so you want to equalize that. At least in gliders this is the case, not sure how much it matters in a Mossie.

[grafspee]

@Reflected if only mosquito was equipped with revers thrust props, with that we could generate some crazy turn rate :P.

I think in B-17 pilot is forbid to bank plane more the 30 degrees, pass this point b-17 will continue to roll, in mosquito aileron input required to maintain bank angle is very noticeable for me.