R-77-1 chances with improved battery and lofting?

[okopanja]

8 hours ago, Seaeagle said:

Do we have MiG-29SM in DCS? - no we don´t. 

So what you are saying is that you want another MiG-29 version than the one we have - fair enough but that has nothing to do with making realism changes to the existing one.  

 

I just thanked you for opinion, I hope you do not mind I express my own opinion and "feelings" ("I feel that..."): provided that limitations outlined above are overcome we have 2 options:

- in-game Mig-29S/Flanker fitted with R-77-1 perhaps with some limitations coming from absence of matching radar

- upgrade of in-game Mig-29S to SM version, just as in RL

 

 

[Seaeagle]

12 hours ago, okopanja said:

I just thanked you for opinion, I hope you do not mind I express my own opinion and "feelings" ("I feel that..."): provided that limitations outlined above are overcome we have 2 options:

- in-game Mig-29S/Flanker fitted with R-77-1 perhaps with some limitations coming from absence of matching radar

- upgrade of in-game Mig-29S to SM version, just as in RL

 

 

We are all entitled to have an opinion  .

Edited July 19, 2022 by Seaeagle

[okopanja]

5 minutes ago, Seaeagle said:

We are all entitled to have an opinion  .

Yes!

[F-2]

N019m firing R-77, 90s

[F-2]

So I looked into it and Serbia ordered 200 R77-1 for its Mig-29SM aircraft which are the same as our Mig-29S but with more robust ground attack capabilities. The Serb version has a N019EM which is the export version of our radar. A few other SM operators have R77-1 but I can’t confirm if that’s the intended platform. I don’t think the N019 has the range to fully exploit it though.

[mrfoxik]

I have over 20 years experience in DCS and never-ever come to forum write something but as we can see we should, because circus came.
I would like to describe some sh*t what is happening now in DCS and will focus on REDFOR planes vs BLUEFOR in multiplayer PvP.
Guys listen, WTF are you doing? I know that F1x planes are the most $$$$ income for you, over 70% of players multiplayer plays on BLUEFOR or if REDFOR only some is using other planes than F1x.
Why? Because developpers have forgotten completely abut REDFOR planes, utdates of existing once, you push expensive only modules to be the best in fight. You produce more and more F1x planes updating dammed ammrams but what you did for REDFOR? JF-17. Yeah, nice plane, insta bought it to have something beter to fight against F1x planes. NATO palnes were falling from the sky like an broken birds, but my joy was not far so long. Then wave of cry from bluefor pilots came that dammed SD10 is not real wtf. etc. You nerfed JF-17 several times. Ok my skill is enough good to life with it, F1x are still falling down :). But when you come to fly bluefor 120B and c5 makes me so f angry. They are so OP in comparison to other redfor stuff.
Yeah you will write, ooo go f yourself AMRAAM is the most real missile and it should be like that! Really? What about real of R77? It should has ~80km range on head to head aspect as we can read on many internet sites. What is range R77 in DCS? 41km. Fun.

Lets come back to the history of FC series  module. Both F15 and Su27 were made as comparable fighters. In that time AMRAAM 120B was comparable with R77. After 15 year now we have something like that:
TEST:
Both planes FL330 V~1000km/h head to head aspect
F15 is able to launch AIM120B from 67 km
F15 is able to launch AIM120C from 75 km

Su27 is able to launch R27ER from 55 km FOX1!!!!!!! very sensitive on notch. Lock break and missile is trash.
Su27 is able to launch R27ER from 40 km Fox3

40 km? Are you kidding me? I know that it may be annoying when you bought F18 for ~70$ and you will got shoot down by Su27 or J-11 for 10$.
I will mention also about chaff resistance. AIM does not care about chaffs, you have to manurer to bleed kinematic energy to defeat missile. R77? It loves chaffs. Dive simple notch + chaff and you can forgot about R77.
Dammed rus planes are not that bad in reality, missiles to. Why are you pushing F1x and AIMs to be the best at all cost?

Second thing is nerf of IRST/ET on RUS site, this step is ridiculous.
Somebody somewhere on reddit has found old instruction for Su27, and showed that IR sensor of this plane was very sensitive, it could catch hot head to head aspect from 80km without afterburner.
What do we have now? Head to head aspect on afterburner IRST see target from ~55km, wow, afterburner off head to head 12km, wow, really?
Range of R27ET 25km, hmm, but you can not lock F1x from 25km head to head afterburner off.
When I was playing on red site in su27 J-11, I used ET as the missile of one hope. R77 and trash ER were <profanity> long time before when you started to upgrade AMRAAMS. But if you were smart, you could life only with ETs. It required a lot of skill, flying platforms with AIMs is like walk in the park.

What we have now in comparison to bluefor (multiplayer pvp aspect):
- <profanity>y outdated Su27, 33, J-11 (I feel sorry for new players who bought those planes or FC3)
- Outdated not real R77 performance
- We have JF-17 one plane which is able to fight against ammrams platforms
- We have F14 which is very annoying for redfor, redfor does not have comparable plane which would be able to flight on such a long distance. WHY?! Why we do not have Mig 31 Foxbat? You will say, it is to new .... what? First flight in 1975. It could carry R40 with 280 km RANGE!!!! Ah too new? It has been constructed in 1985, what about amraams c5...is not it from 1996? Is not it to new?
Do you know what is the date of production R77 1982. So great, readfor players are fighting with outdated weapons from 80's without comparable plane to F14, and against amramms from late 90's. Bravo

I fly on both sides red or blue and have a lot of experience and I will write this to redfor folks. I feels sorry that we have such a outdated stuff, and devs has forgotten about us. Be brave and fight on forums about our equipment like bluefor players do.

Edited September 15, 2022 by mrfoxik

[Mike_Romeo]

22 hours ago, mrfoxik said:

Because developpers have forgotten completely abut REDFOR planes

Looks like everyone trying to get modern redfor docs will be jailed.

[okopanja]

On 9/15/2022 at 10:38 PM, mrfoxik said:

Yeah you will write, ooo go f yourself AMRAAM is the most real missile and it should be like that! Really? What about real of R77? It should has ~80km range on head to head aspect as we can read on many internet sites. What is range R77 in DCS? 41km. Fun.

I did not quit get 80km range, but I think I was close enough. Victim is as always with all long range either not paying attention or a beginner.

The missile was fired with LA and manual loft of 20 degree. Need to experiment with higher angles since this one flew way lower than his amraam which missed me.

As a test I fired 4 77. 2xloft + 2xdirect. All 4 hit the target.

Edited November 28, 2022 by okopanja

[BalticDude]

On 7/16/2022 at 1:47 AM, Chizh said:

R-77 (RVV-AE) missile developed into 1990 and limited production till 2015, before the advent of R-77-1.

We have no plan for R-77-1.

Sooooooo you gonna give us an R-77 that lofts or you just gonna give NATO everything and more instead?

[BalticDude]

On 9/15/2022 at 1:38 PM, mrfoxik said:

I have over 20 years experience in DCS and never-ever come to forum write something but as we can see we should, because circus came.
I would like to describe some sh*t what is happening now in DCS and will focus on REDFOR planes vs BLUEFOR in multiplayer PvP.
Guys listen, WTF are you doing? I know that F1x planes are the most $$$$ income for you, over 70% of players multiplayer plays on BLUEFOR or if REDFOR only some is using other planes than F1x.
Why? Because developpers have forgotten completely abut REDFOR planes, utdates of existing once, you push expensive only modules to be the best in fight. You produce more and more F1x planes updating dammed ammrams but what you did for REDFOR? JF-17. Yeah, nice plane, insta bought it to have something beter to fight against F1x planes. NATO palnes were falling from the sky like an broken birds, but my joy was not far so long. Then wave of cry from bluefor pilots came that dammed SD10 is not real wtf. etc. You nerfed JF-17 several times. Ok my skill is enough good to life with it, F1x are still falling down :). But when you come to fly bluefor 120B and c5 makes me so f angry. They are so OP in comparison to other redfor stuff.
Yeah you will write, ooo go f yourself AMRAAM is the most real missile and it should be like that! Really? What about real of R77? It should has ~80km range on head to head aspect as we can read on many internet sites. What is range R77 in DCS? 41km. Fun.

Lets come back to the history of FC series  module. Both F15 and Su27 were made as comparable fighters. In that time AMRAAM 120B was comparable with R77. After 15 year now we have something like that:
TEST:
Both planes FL330 V~1000km/h head to head aspect
F15 is able to launch AIM120B from 67 km
F15 is able to launch AIM120C from 75 km

Su27 is able to launch R27ER from 55 km FOX1!!!!!!! very sensitive on notch. Lock break and missile is trash.
Su27 is able to launch R27ER from 40 km Fox3

40 km? Are you kidding me? I know that it may be annoying when you bought F18 for ~70$ and you will got shoot down by Su27 or J-11 for 10$.
I will mention also about chaff resistance. AIM does not care about chaffs, you have to manurer to bleed kinematic energy to defeat missile. R77? It loves chaffs. Dive simple notch + chaff and you can forgot about R77.
Dammed rus planes are not that bad in reality, missiles to. Why are you pushing F1x and AIMs to be the best at all cost?

Second thing is nerf of IRST/ET on RUS site, this step is ridiculous.
Somebody somewhere on reddit has found old instruction for Su27, and showed that IR sensor of this plane was very sensitive, it could catch hot head to head aspect from 80km without afterburner.
What do we have now? Head to head aspect on afterburner IRST see target from ~55km, wow, afterburner off head to head 12km, wow, really?
Range of R27ET 25km, hmm, but you can not lock F1x from 25km head to head afterburner off.
When I was playing on red site in su27 J-11, I used ET as the missile of one hope. R77 and trash ER were <profanity> long time before when you started to upgrade AMRAAMS. But if you were smart, you could life only with ETs. It required a lot of skill, flying platforms with AIMs is like walk in the park.

What we have now in comparison to bluefor (multiplayer pvp aspect):
- <profanity>y outdated Su27, 33, J-11 (I feel sorry for new players who bought those planes or FC3)
- Outdated not real R77 performance
- We have JF-17 one plane which is able to fight against ammrams platforms
- We have F14 which is very annoying for redfor, redfor does not have comparable plane which would be able to flight on such a long distance. WHY?! Why we do not have Mig 31 Foxbat? You will say, it is to new .... what? First flight in 1975. It could carry R40 with 280 km RANGE!!!! Ah too new? It has been constructed in 1985, what about amraams c5...is not it from 1996? Is not it to new?
Do you know what is the date of production R77 1982. So great, readfor players are fighting with outdated weapons from 80's without comparable plane to F14, and against amramms from late 90's. Bravo

I fly on both sides red or blue and have a lot of experience and I will write this to redfor folks. I feels sorry that we have such a outdated stuff, and devs has forgotten about us. Be brave and fight on forums about our equipment like bluefor players do.

 

Bro is spitting straight FACTS but ED is too busy spending money on useless planes flying instead of being in a museum and wasting money on WWII and splitting up one map into 4 separate maps to scam players to care, and I'm not even going to mention the RAZBAM situation.

Edited April 23, 2024 by BalticDude

[Mike_Romeo]

18 hours ago, BalticDude said:

Bro is spitting straight FACTS but ED is too busy spending money on useless planes flying instead of being in a museum and wasting money on WWII and splitting up one map into 4 separate maps to scam players to care, and I'm not even going to mention the RAZBAM situation.

1. The Afghanistan map is not spitted. When you buy Afganistan south for example, you still get the whole map but only detail terrain in the south.
2. If it was so easy to make redfor aircrafts, why dont the other third party developers do it then ? Yes there are 3rd party redfore modules incoming like MiG-23 and SU-22 but its only ED who had the balls to make something as modern as the MiG-29.
3. The figher collection that holds the "useless planes flying" existed before DCS and without them, DCS wouldnt even exist.

Edited April 23, 2024 by Mike_Romeo

[TheFreshPrince]

Mig-29 A is not modern 

Nevertheless I look forward to it. 

[BalticDude]

On 4/23/2024 at 3:53 PM, Mike_Romeo said:

1. The Afghanistan map is not spitted. When you buy Afganistan south for example, you still get the whole map but only detail terrain in the south.
2. If it was so easy to make redfor aircrafts, why dont the other third party developers do it then ? Yes there are 3rd party redfore modules incoming like MiG-23 and SU-22 but its only ED who had the balls to make something as modern as the MiG-29.
3. The figher collection that holds the "useless planes flying" existed before DCS and without them, DCS wouldnt even exist.

 

Deka is making a J-8II you're coping

[Silver_Dragon]

On 9/15/2022 at 9:38 PM, mrfoxik said:

Why? Because developpers have forgotten completely abut REDFOR planes, utdates of existing once, you push expensive only modules to be the best in fight.

• ED has making a Mig-29A module and refiting red missiles. Planned other modules in the future.
• Dekka has making a J-8PP
• Octopus-G has making a La-7 and planned a So-2 and Su-17
• Razbam has making a Mig-23MLA
• Red Star Entretaiment has making a Mig-17F
• Some 3rd party team has plans to make a Su-22M3

I not sure where are de "forgoting Redforces"...

On 4/23/2024 at 5:12 AM, BalticDude said:

Bro is spitting straight FACTS but ED is too busy spending money on useless planes flying instead of being in a museum and wasting money on WWII and splitting up one map into 4 separate maps to scam players to care, and I'm not even going to mention the RAZBAM situation.

Afganistan use the tecnology of map expansions builded on Normandy 2 with the owners of Normandy 1 was updated to Normandy 2 but only see low detail zones on the expansions, the purchaser of more a section of a map can fly without problems from one to another section without problems... and no, has not "4 separates maps", has de same map with diferent zones.

[Mike_Romeo]

11 hours ago, BalticDude said:

Deka is making a J-8II you're coping

Guess why they are making it. Cause it never flew and it was supposed to uses mostly western avionics.

14 hours ago, TheFreshPrince said:

Mig-29 A is not modern

Yet the most modern one of all current and future planed redfor aircrafts.

[P1l0t]

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/03/14/deconstructing-fire-control-radar-of-mig-29s-mig-29m2-mig-29k/